To be shocked by Jeremy Kyle

I thoroughly stand by the description "creature" Maccyt1955 - as in "slimey spawn of a bottomless swamp".

And no, they do not deserve our pity - giving them even that would classify the giver 'muggins wanted' in the eyes of the recipient.

Margs what a hate filled post - I almost feel sorry for you but I know you wouldn’t want my pity.

dragonfly said she was middle class but played with coal miners children , now batty refers to coal miners as poorer people.

I admit I find snobbery very difficult to accept, yes there are people who earn less than others, people who earn more .

Would there have been understanding if dragonfly had said ‘my parents owned their home but I played with children on a council estate .

If batty referred to playing with children whose parents were on benefits ?

OK Annie, I am having a really bad day but I will try to provide some context.

Way back in the 1950s when social classes were more pronounced, I grew up in what would roughly be called a middle class household. The situation was muddied somewhat by the fact that my parents were Scottish and we lived in rural Yorkshire. My mother lived by a series of strict and impossible rules which were incomprehensible to me.

A refuge from this for me was running free and bobbing in and out of houses which could loosely be termed " working class". There I found less structure and more acceptance, what we nowadays call a child centred approach.

I still find those who society may call " poor" to be kinder and less manipulative than those higher up the social scale.

I am not a snob or harbour feelings of superiority.

I'll answer your question.
My friend was employed as a cleaner, since her written skills aren't so good.
She drove a top of the range sports car, was and is totally, utterly trustworthy, and earned a fortune.
One of the huge places she cleaned for had a granny annexe built just for her so she could stay over.
Poor health was the only thing which stopped her successful business.

I still find those who society may call " poor" to be kinder and less manipulative than those higher up the social scale

Oh do be careful oldbatty or Sodapop will accuse you of being patronising .

It reminds me of a funny story ( well not funny at the time) from when I was first in grammar school. I had passed the 11+ and was like a fish out of water with none of my junior friends . Some girls I barely knew from my class came to visit me completely unexpected and my mum invited them in and said “just go straight through, she’s in the coalhouse” my dad had painted the old coal house out for my sister and I to use/play in. I never lived it down at school .

Saw programme a couple of times and decided not for me. JK and the tv company are making huge amount of £s and those appearing are being exploited although willingly. How people can air their issues on such a programme is beyond me. There surely must be an element of "I've been on tv" in it as well as the lure of appearance money.

That's a lovely story gillybob !

My maternal grandmother desperately wished her daughter (my mum) wasn't such a tomboy.

She was delighted though when mum got into grammar school, thinking she would meet girls with lovely manners, some of which might rub off on my mum.

Imagine her horror then when my mum soon became best friends with a girl whose parents ran the local boozer

To be honest JenniferEccles I never really fitted in at grammar school . Talk about small fish big pond ! It was an all girls school where bullying was rife. I prayed that one day they would find that they had made a mistake and kick me out, so I could go to the secondary modern with my friends . Thankfully I had the most lovely RE teacher who seemed to recognise me as a bit of a lost soul . She took me to the theatre in her own time .

“Girls with lovely manners” some of them who fancied themselves as better than the rest, were by far the worst and played some disgusting tricks that mummy and daddy would have been horrified with ( or maybe not ) .

Yes she probably would Gillybob but need to get balanced again as the pedestal is wobbling.

I haven’t fallen out with you Sodapop
Just you keep that pedestal nice and steady

Bullying is awful isn't it, especially in schools, but I honestly can't remember it being much of a problem at my grammar gillybob

Of course there were always the very self confident, assertive girls, but I soon learned to keep away from them, and anyway I had friends from the primary school who were also there.

Can't say the education did me much good though, as after GCEs I couldn't wait to get out in the world and earn some money.

Sorry, this has nothing to do with the original Jeremy Kyle topic!

It hasn’t JenniferE but just the way a natural conversation often wanders doesn’t it ? I wasted my education. I Was never really encouraged to do more, or go to college . Pregnant at 18 ( back to Jeremy Kyle ) I had no one but myself to blame .

There we are then, there is a link to JK after all!!

This thread is helpful in explaining why there aren't more of us on the streets campaigning against the austerity programme. Some folks on here clearly believe that people with psychological or learning difficulties are simply not worthy of the support or attention of the majority.
simples

Iam, the austerity programme cannot be blamed for those who haven chosen to go on this show, i googled and it has been going since 2005. I have only watched it once, a paternity test result was announced on the programme, it distressed me that people could do this , the child had been born .

As for the class thing, sadly this will always be important to some.

I accept that point Annie about the length of time the show has been going alongside the length of the austerity programme. My frustration/sadness is about the cold, critical and dismissive comments like 'sub human' which some here have posted.
I share your concerns about the show you saw. I don't watch it but like everyone else it seems, have seen clips.

Sorry Iam, yes sub human and creatures were distressing to read

I had a neighbour who seemed to be watching this show every time I went in.
From what I've seen, it seems to be a callous manipulative exploitation of people with family problems. The Jerry Springer show was just as bad, if not worse.

There are real human crises on the JK show. Any one of us might find themself in a life crisis, even those grans who fancy themselves to be too respectable to be in those situations.

JK 's catch phrase "Put something on the end of it" has probably helped to stop a few unwanted unwanted pregnancies.

There is actual help offered to people in crisis from the resident psychologist,(Graham I think he's called) and also from the excellent offers of residential detox from mind altering drug addictions.

Oh come on Alexa JK as a philanthropist? I don’t think so - look at some of the attitudes towards those on the show expressed by some posters on here. It damages far more people than it ever helps and most will go back to their everyday lives harmed by the TV exposure

I can’t recall another thread which has caused me both anger and distress as this thread has .

I tend to ‘walk away’ from threads that upset me - politically, emotionally, etc. Another day, another thread - life’s too short to persist with something that hurts us?

True Lisagran

Unfortunately, I know that people who appear on the show exist. It is a huge exploitation of I would say of vulnerable people. Who might be able to shout about how they are treated in their homes. Not realising their vunerabilities are pumped up, making them feel all important, and totally unaware that they a cheap television. People who watch it, sit their to mock or preen smugly. Very sad.