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Are we being fed a lie with salmon ?

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Totallylost Sat 19-Jan-19 23:33:00

AIBU

To question why no one is questioning the Scottish salmon industry . For years they have been farming salmon to a point now where the salmon are not only disease and lice ridden but also so deformed as to be beyond belief ,check out Corin Smith on FB for the truth behind the so called regulated industry , the issues around mad cow disease which no one originally believed in has had such far reaching consequences and yet the Scottish salmon farm industry has slipped under the radar with no one taking any heed , we can only hope and pray that these poor disease and toxin carrying fish that we are actively encouraged to consume are not going to be the next source of major scourge on the human race . Maybe this is why salmon is no longer considered a food for the rich but is instead packaged and processed then fed to the masses as a cheap food stuff, unfortunately it would appear that the Scottish government and its regulatory bodies is in the pockets of these unsavoury practices .

Eloethan Sun 20-Jan-19 00:00:46

Yes, it's worrying isn't, though I still very occasionally still have salmon. I strive not to eat meat, though find it difficult to make interesting meals, so I break the monotony occasionally by having cod and chips or salmon.

It's getting to the point where it's difficult to know what to eat as there seems to be a health or environmental risk attached to almost everything now. I think perhaps the most sensible way is to not eat too much of any particular food and to strive to eat less anyway.

absent Sun 20-Jan-19 03:23:39

Wild salmon is considerably more expensive, much tastier, has a better texture, is far healthier and better for the environment. As with most things, you get what you pay for. Perhaps just buy it for a special occasion rather than for everyday meals – it is worth it.

BradfordLass72 Sun 20-Jan-19 04:29:32

Its a long, long time since I could afford to buy salmon. Currently, depending on how you buy it, the cost is around £50 a kilo, which is as much as I spend on my whole, weekly food budget.

But I had a lovely surprise Christmas gift given by a friend after her husband bought a gigantic fresh salmon and there was too much for them to eat. She'd peppered some of it raw, in strips and some was lightly cooked - it was wonderful smile

I guess the answer in your case with Scottish salmon is just don't buy it. One can live without salmon and if no one buys it, the supplier will have to change things.

Baggs Sun 20-Jan-19 07:59:43

I think questions are being—and have been for some time—asked about the Scottish salmon industry. I'm not sure their having lice is a threat to human health, nor to theirs. That is a straightforward unloaded comment because of the OP's reference to a possible "major [human] scourge". The other disease(s) mentioned are more worrying.

Salmon is not cheap where I buy it in Scotland. It's dearer than quite a lot of meat. Whether it is logical of me to think that this suggests things cannot be 'all that bad' at least on some of the salmon farms, I don't know.

On a final note, compared to the risks associated with obtaining food that our distant ancestors on these islands faced, I don't think we've much to worry about. The risks now associated with getting and eating our food are comparatively minimal.

I'm food shopping today. Perhaps I will not consider buying salmon this time.

Baggs Sun 20-Jan-19 08:01:06

BradofrdLass, yes, quite 👍

Baggs Sun 20-Jan-19 08:01:28

sorry for the typo

M0nica Sun 20-Jan-19 08:22:33

A small packet of smoked salmon is £3.75 in our local Co-op and will serve three, depending on how you serve it, Bradfordlass, and a 4 pack of fresh salmon fillets, £4.25 - just over a £1.00 per serving - in Sainsbury's, the equivalent of £12.00 a kilo, so I am not sure where your figure of £50 a kilo comes from.

PECS Sun 20-Jan-19 08:32:05

Not sure that anyone is lied to. The information is provided in various, easily accessible articles which have been commented on in the press.
Not everyone will have taken the time to inform themselves but that is the same for a lot of thongs. The facts are there if people choose to look.

Auntieflo Sun 20-Jan-19 08:37:51

I usually buy frozen salmon fillets, to keep as a quick and easy standby meal, so cannot comment on fresh Scottish salmon.
I shopped on Friday, in Tesco, and bought a packet of 5 fillets for half price, £2.75.
Now having caught my interest, I looked at the packaging, and it states
" Produced in China, using Salmon caught in the Northeast Pacific Ocean"
This is what we will be having for supper tonight.

Anja Sun 20-Jan-19 08:44:37

When buying farmed Atlantic salmon, the best choice to make is organic certified. Organic Certification Standards for salmon farming set comprehensive standards for the cultivation of salmon which includes third party auditing; inspection and enforcement procedures; and standards for hatchery production and feed mill operations, to ensure that the number of negative environmental impacts associated with salmon farming are addressed. Buying organically farmed fish ensures their feed is sourced sustainably, stocking densities are reduced and chemical usage minimised. Salmon certified by the RSPCA Freedom Foods scheme ensure that high welfare standards are met during production, including reduced stocking densities.

Maggiemaybe Sun 20-Jan-19 08:45:03

I must admit I wasn’t aware of the problems, my fault as I see now that the information is out there. I tend to trust that UK food industry standards are higher than most and do as absent says when it comes to meat, buy dearer (free range) and eat less often. I’ll be looking for wild salmon in future.

Maggiemaybe Sun 20-Jan-19 08:47:55

Or RSPCA Freedom Foods salmon, now that I’ve seen your post, Anja!

M0nica Sun 20-Jan-19 09:11:44

The information about the problems with farmed salmon have been around for a decade or more. Discussed on radio programmes, online and in newspapers.

I now only buy wild salmon, smoked or fresh. It is expensive so we only eat it very occasionally and appreciate it all the more for that.

There are so many thousand of food stuffs to choose from today and there will always be foodstuffs we cannot afford: caviar, truffles, Wagyu beef, I have tasted all once or twice in tiny mouthfuls, nice, but with so much choice, I do not miss them because I cannot afford them. Smoked mackerel, smoked trout, are both acceptable alternatives to smoked salmon. Fresh salmon is nice as an occasional treat, but I am just as happy with haddock.

PECS Sun 20-Jan-19 09:15:20

I wish I liked the taste of smoked foods..but I do not! Every so often I try again..but it is,still unpleasant grin

Grannyknot Sun 20-Jan-19 09:48:54

I stopped buying farmed salmon when my daughter showed me a video clip of a deformed fish with a gaping, disease-ridden hole in its flesh (it was on Instagram) in a salmon farm situation. Not that we ate it often, but it put me right off.

However I have since bought wild sock-eye salmon a few times, and it is delicious (but very expensive).

Luckygirl Sun 20-Jan-19 09:50:27

Never eat smoked salmon; but have ordinary salmon 2x per week - we we eat a lot of fish.

Greyduster Sun 20-Jan-19 10:04:42

I’m afraid lice do have a negative impact on the health of both farmed and, increasingly, the wild Atlantic salmon that return to Scotland’s rivers to breed. Sea lice, if left unchecked, cause deformities and lesions that ultimately kill the fish. Deformed fish have increasingly been seen in river salmon on the west coast of Scotland where most of the salmon farms are, as the fish pick up the lice from areas around the fish farms, and is being linked to the dearth of salmon being seen in those rivers. This has led to a fall in visiting anglers who come to catch the fish - it is, or was, big business in Scotland. Salmon must now be returned to rivers after being caught, but they aren’t there to be caught. Interestingly, in the east of Scotland, where there are no coastal fish farms, river stocks are healthier. Fish farms use ‘cleaner fish’ (wrasse, which are bred specially I believe) to try and eradicate the lice, and to some extent this is successful. There is a Scandinavian fish farming method which is very successful, but is deemed to be too expensive to be introduced here. Farmed rainbow trout also suffer from licing.

Davidhs Sun 20-Jan-19 10:07:17

Salmon farming has always been controversial not just because of disease but their feed is highly questionable.
It is the product of industrial fishing of sand eels and other non edible species, it is these fish that are the main food for sea birds, puffins, gulls and all the others we like to see on our coasts. These “industrial fish” are also a large part of the diet of cod and the other edible fish, so in environmental terms salmon farming is bad news.
It’s well overdue to have a sensible fisheries policy but there are far to many vested interests, not to mention national interests for that to be achieved.

trisher Sun 20-Jan-19 10:46:05

It is fish farming in general , not just salmon farming which has real problems. If I buy salmon I usually go for wild salmon, but buying any fish is a huge issue. Tuna is currently really under threat.
One interesting fact that shows how things have changed. In the Middle Ages salmon was caught in huge numbers and was regarded as food for the poor. It is said that apprentices in Newcastle had written into their contracts that they should not be fed salmon more than twice a week!
There is a Greenpeace campaign to change things and protect species by creating areas of protection.
act.greenpeace.org/ea-action/action

Greyduster Sun 20-Jan-19 12:13:11

It takes as few as eleven lice to kill a juvenile salmon. The problem is they are attacked as they wait at the mouths of rivers for the perfect conditions to begin their swim upstream to their spawning grounds. Large numbers now never make it. We lost vast numbers of river salmon in the North if England due to industrial pollution. After a Herculean effort to clean up the rivers, they are slowly coming back. I never thought I would see salmon back in our local river in my lifetime, but they are here. They, and sea trout, grayling and brown trout, are major indicators of the health of our rivers. We must do all we can to protect them.

M0nica Sun 20-Jan-19 12:18:48

Behind all these problems are us, the consumers, who want more and more delicacies to become much cheaper and normal fare.

We do not want know at what price this food is made available to us, just complain if the price rises following the introduction of better welfare standards for the fish and that that is making it too expensive and out of consideration for those on below average incomes.

Anja Sun 20-Jan-19 12:19:37

There are several species of fish, including ballan wrasse and lumpfish, which naturally eat sea lice. These fish are introduced to salmon pens to eat sea lice off the salmon. This is a biological approach to sea lice management, and there are research projects underway to identify more potential cleaner fish species.

EllanVannin Sun 20-Jan-19 13:00:06

Undercooked salmon is so dangerous and if you overcook it to kill the bugs it chokes you--------I only eat wild red tinned salmon, but mostly smoked mackerel ( which has gone expensive I notice )

Food used to be so reliable at one time. It isn't any longer.

Fennel Sun 20-Jan-19 13:07:20

If the salmon is labelled Atlantic sea salmon does that mean it was caught out at sea, or farmed in a sea loch?
We once had a holiday in NW Scotland, and were shown a salmon farm in a sea loch there. Can't remember the name now, but there are a few.
It was neat Glenelg.
There's another variety called salmon trout, which I think is caught out at sea. Could be wrong.