Dogs in cafes

It's just occurred to me that we all press that flush button before we wash our hands. So those who don't hand wash in public toilets are carrying not only their own germs but those of others.

At home too, we risk re-infecting if we don't wash the button each time.

It's a wonder we're not all dead of the lurgy.

BradfordLass, we are not all dead of the lurgy because of several reasons. The main one is that healthy people have active immune responses, including stomach acid which applies to ingested infections.

Sometimes there are very invasive or very active disease germs which overcome natural active immune responses and then if we eat those germs we do get the lurgy. This does not matter so much if it's only one or one family . Bit food industry workers, or carers of babies, need to be very much more careful.

(My little lecture is due to my interest in infections and immunity as I used to be a fever nurse long ago.)

Of course I'm not quite sure how many dogs see to their hygiene after toiletting.
One of mine used to wipe himself on the lawn afterwards

In response to the question where do we live that Rottwielers are banned -it was here in the UK and at some time during the 1980s there were moves to ban dangerous dogs including American pit bull terriers and Rottweilers. Whether or not they were made illegal I don't know.
The point I was trying to make was that she was terrified to pass this big ferocious looking dog in order to get to the loo. The dog owner didn't have it on a leash even at night.

There are some dogs in the category 'dangerous breeds' which are banned :
inews.co.uk/news/uk/dangerous-dogs-act-uk-list-banned-dog-changes-mps/

I have had a few days away this weekend with my daughter, stayed at a dog friendly hotel, my little dog was as good as gold, and never barked at all, then went to a dog friendly pub, where there were several dogs, you honestly would not have known they were there, but i would rather go to a place with well behaved dogs than somewhere with screaming babies or naughty,or maybe just restless toddlers running around,

I live in France and it is common here for dogs to be taken to restaurants. I've yet to see a badly behaved one. I don't take mine because they are not the best behaved dogs in the world.

I also agree with the comments about children - again in France the children are taken out to eat from an early age and it is common to see several generations sitting at the same table. In the UK parents seem to ignore their offspring who are left to run around bothering people. I did have one experience with small children here - but that was at a Dutch campsite where they hold music nights in their bar/restaurant which are open to non campers. One family (Dutch) allowed their children to run up and down during the performance, generally being nuisances. Some other punters complained to the bar owner who asked the parents to keep their children under control. They wanted to know who had complained. The next time they ran around I shifted my position slightly so that my legs were shifted across the gangway and one of them tripped over my feet. At that point the children were removed. This was about 11.00pm.

Dinahmo I live in France too and agree with your comments about children's behaviour. In general French children are more respectful and families are more inclusive although of course there are exceptions. I see dogs in restaurants frequently but still don't like it. In our local bistro their long haired Collie wanders in and out of the kitchen.

I do not like dogs around me whilst I am eating food neither do I like unruly children. In both instances it is the parent/owner's responsibility to monitor and control them so they do not spoil anyone else's pleasure. I hate people moaning about dog's leaving their dirt also, the DOG has not the ability to clean it up, THE OWNER has.

I like dogs around me when I am eating and sleeping .Let's have referendum!

Doxit or Dogstay

Dogstay (of course)

Dogstay!

Yes there's something about dogs in cafes that puts me off..I don't know why because most I've seen are well behaved. I understand people taking their dogs for a walk want to take the weight off and enjoy a sit down coffee..and most understand that their dogs should be well behaved. It's the people who talk loudly or argue that are worse though. Some of then have no consideration for other customers..

Dogstay!

Dogstay- off to UK in the morning. Hôtels booked on the way and back- of course where dogs are welcome- and we now have quite a list of places near our flat where dogs can go- and near our daughters and sil and bil too.

Doxit, and I have three of them. Someone tried to bring their dog into the library where I volunteer the other day. If the people who were present at that time all brought their dogs there would have been nine.

Thriving library is it then?

We used to have a visiting cat in the little,library where I used to work. She lived locally but her owners were out all day. Sometimes she'd curl up and sleep on top of the shelves - we'd have to be very careful to remember and chuck her out at closing time, or she'd set the alarm off!

No Anja just owners with more than one dog. Our small library jogs along quite nicely though.

I am finding this thread amusing. All the people who are saying they object to dogs in restaurants because of 'hygiene' issues, proclaim...."except for guide/assistance dogs of course"... So...are we to assume that Guide Dogs/Assistance Dogs are somehow more hygienic? Made me laugh.

I am of the 'in' camp. I love nothing more than to see dogs lying in front of fires in pubs. Yorkshire and the Lake District are perfect for dog lovers.

BUT all these people who steer clear of hotels where dogs are welcome are probably losing out on some great hotels. I have been in dozens of hotels that allow dogs but in my experience they have it just right. Dogs allowed in certain areas and not in others. No 'dog friendly' hotel I have ever stayed in has ever been inconsiderate of people who do not like dogs...neither have the owners! No smelly rooms, no intrusion at meal times.

I don't think anyone thought assistance dogs were cleaner or more hygienic Tedber they are usually well trained and behave better than the average pet. People will accept them because they have a role to play helping their owners.
You are fortunate in having good experiences with dogs in public places not everyone is as fortunate.

Oh o.k. Sodapop...I take it you are one of the 'anti' brigade lol. I totally disagree that MOST other dogs are not better behaved than assistance dogs. As you say, my experience is that MOST dogs are really well behaved....perhaps you have fallen foul of the minority? And yes, I agree there are some owners who haven't a clue but I have never met them in any hotel to date... Am I just lucky? Or more tolerant? I live and let live t.b.h. Nothing has ever spoilt MY enjoyment wherever I have been.

Yes Tedber I am one of the 'anti' brigade as you put it. I have three wonderful dogs who I love dearly but I don't think its right to inflict them on other people either singly or together.

It’s not the dogs who are a problem it’s the owners. There’s a lovely cafe in Tavistock that allows dogs and it’s a good place to eat. We’d never allow our dogs to get near another table and are kept close to us. This year we are going to a dog friendly caravan, they are part of the family and will be kept under good control at all times. Agree it’s screaming and running around children that are more of a nuisance.