GP to be investigated by the GMC

Well it seems most of you have access to information the rest of us haven't and know how the doctor normally treats women, what he said, how the woman felt, how her husband treats her, what the child said etc. etc. etc.

Then you arent comprehending posts very well.

It doesnt matter which potential interpretation you apply, none justify what he did or make his excuse for it make sense.

The GMC will talk to him.
The hospital wont have forwarded it to the GMC without speaking to him.
His response when questioned will have guided the hospitals onward actions. If it was isolated, and he was remorseful that his actions had made a women feel uncomfortable and/or vulnerable, it would go on his HR file and he would have been referred fof diversity training.

Thats how it works. You dont need to know the details of this case to know that.

Fuse =fair

A lot will have ridden on his initial response to the complaint...

Its not just about the complaint itself, how a HCP responds is what is noted just as much. They will have been looking to see if it bothered him that a women left his care upset or perhaps at risk, or if he behaved with indignation about his authority being questioned.

The whole point is that a complaint was made, it is going through due process. The doctor is a stupid prat for talking to the press and posing for photographs. People are using this for racist reasons and there is a great deal of (deliberate?) misreporting

If the hospital pulled him in and he listened and admitted he did wrong... there is no way the hospital would want the bad PR of referring on to GMC. They would have sent him on diversity updates and issued an apology
I disagree notanan
I think it’s much more likely the hospital recognised a red flag when they saw one, and diverted it to the GMC so that they could take the flak, whatever the outcome.

Agree jane but for slightly different reasons. He was a locum there not their employee. The GMC might well want to make further enquires from previous employers/agencies in case he had ‘form’ . The hospital would not get involved in this effort for a locum but wouldn’t ignore it either.

Janeainsworth that makes zero sense. What "flak" would there have been if they had been satisfied with their internal investigation?. it wouldnt have been made public! There would be no flak!
GMC referrals = media attention.

There is another possibility which is that this GP was covering up hearing loss and hoping to get away with coasting to retirement by lip reading. In which case THAT would definitely be a GMC fitness to practice issue...

There are lots of possible interpretations. None have the GP coming out of it as the victim..

maryeliza I believe that Drs files do follow them electronically?? At least junior doctors do?? So I dont think you can behave badly on one posting then get a clean HR slate at the next if thats what you mean?

He’s not a hospital doctor. He’s apparently working as a locum GP. He will not have an electronic record following him around.

GPs work in hospitals too. In ambulatory care and out of hours and hospitals have GP admission wards and also GP led long stay wards.

Yes I know all that - I was making the point that this doctor is not employed by the hospital. He was working as a locum in a service that CCG organises and for which it uses local GPs and locums to staff the service.

Yes. I see what you mean, I thought they still had e records and appraisals that followed them though?

Well at the end of the day the doctor was wrong in his original actions and even more wrong to go to the press a simple apology would have been enough to shut it all up Im sure, only a very arrogant person or an out and out racist would want to see it all plastered over the media and whip up a hooly
God help us if we ever make Britain a country with a dress code what a dreary dull old place it will be sylwrite

The fact that he stated that asking a woman to remove a veil is no different from asking a motorcyclist to remove a helmet at best demonstrates a level of stupidity which would not likely be compatable with passing medical school..

It demonstates such disregard and a lack of empathy to pretend its the same thing. Now maybe he is that stupid, but I struggle to believe that a doctor wouldnt know the difference.....

Thats what is so concerning

"made her strip off"?

Laughable only because it is so stupid.

Are we sure he really compared it to asking a motorcyclist to take his helmet off? Wasn't that just a poster on this thread who said that?

Gonegirl the motocycle comment is in " " s in the press, so we are as sure as we can be..

"Laughable only because it is so stupid. hmm"

How would you describe being asked to expose a part of your body that you always keep covered in public?

Wow. Really surprised at that. He must be stupid as well as a bullying racist.

Any chance of a link?

And that the motocycle helmet comparison was made after he had been made aware that removing the veil had caused the woman problems....

Very concerning.

Well, I really couldn't describe it as "stripping off". And tbh, I don't think you can compare a muslim woman's face to her breasts or her (whispers) "down there's"!

Gonegirl it is in several mainstream newspapers google "gmc gp veil" and there are a few different ones

They also report that he is apparently pleased about the petition. There is no way that they are 60,000 of his previous patients or colleagues who are attesting to his practice, the petition is political... and his enthusiasm about it aligns him with the signatories....

I have been a long time lurker but this is my first post. Can I ask what the reaction would be if the patient was a Christian woman asked to remove her blouse by a Muslim doctor, say to check her heartbeat (which can be done without removing clothing) - would the condemnation of the doctor be the same?

It reminds me of something a friend told me - the people who protest the loudest "protecting" ethnic minorities and gays are often doing so to hide their true feelings - yes he did know what he was talking about, being a black gay man when it was illegal.

Blimey, you'd think he'd murdered someone. It just beggars belief !!

Yes WadesNan my reaction was the same when a white doctor left me unessessarily exposed while he discussed my case with a colleague after examining me. I appreciated that being exposed whilst physically examined was necessary, but not the part where he left me exposed afterwards until a nurse came along...

So I can empathise with a muslim lady who is exposed for no clinical reason.

As should anyone really. Especially a doctor.