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funding Labour manifesto promises

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humptydumpty Fri 22-Nov-19 13:03:11

I was listening to a Conservative (minister?) talking on Today this morning, and criticising Lasbour for needing to put up taxes, whereas their promises were freebies (yeah right).

AIBU to think that if we are to get better services of whatever sort, we would/should expect to pay for them? after all, in our private lives this is our experience every day - if you want to have something, you have to pay for it, above and beyond what you would otherwise have spent.

Am I missing something here??

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 24-Nov-19 18:45:18

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Callistemon Sun 24-Nov-19 18:29:11

Stop being so disingenuous GGMK3!!

You addressed GG13 personally.

Unless, of course, you had your GGs mixed up
Quite easy to do.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 18:28:46

If she

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 18:25:21

I would suggest you look at yourself LG but I don't think you even know you are doing it.

As for GG13, my remark was general. I cannot help it isle she took it personally.

Callistemon Sun 24-Nov-19 18:13:42

She only does it to annoy
Because she knows it teases

Pantglas2 Sun 24-Nov-19 18:13:19

You’d be surprised at the socialists I’ve come across who have strange ideas about only some people being allowed to claim a benefit even though they may be entitled to do so.

They preach at anyone they perceive to be tories or right wing, demonstrating their caring qualities but under the skin they’re as mean and grudging of others as anyone you’d hate to meet.

lemongrove Sun 24-Nov-19 17:03:31

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Opal Sun 24-Nov-19 16:57:20

Oh FFS, I've seen it all now. GGMK3 "Only because it is gained at the poverty of others". How is the purchase of my modest family home, paid for by my own taxed income and as a result of my hard work over many years, gained at the poverty of others?????? As someone who has worked since the age of 16 and never claimed benefits, I feel I've done my bit to support those less fortunate than me, including those in poverty. Your comments are typical of those who support Labour's policies of envy. They stifle ambition and hard work, they don't encourage it, and their slogan "For the many, not the few" is an absolute joke. They are definitely NOT supporters of the many ordinary working families and homeowners in this country.

lemongrove Sun 24-Nov-19 16:56:16

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Urmstongran Sun 24-Nov-19 16:54:59

And can’t be taxed either ‼️

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Nov-19 16:53:53

Urmstongran I totally agree, family and health cannot be bought.

Urmstongran Sun 24-Nov-19 16:34:01

I don’t have much money but I have enough as my needs are less than my wants.

I don’t envy anyone’s wealth. If I p**s on your grass it doesn’t make mine grow any better.

My happiness comes from within. My family, my gorgeous grandchildren. I have a kind and loving husband of 45y. I try to be kind and I am fortunate that I enjoy good health and have many friends.

I’m not materialistic.

Good luck to you GG13 and others like you on here. Some GN’s are wealthy.

Life isn’t fair. Never was, never will be. I speak as someone who lost £100,000 at the time of the recession. We can’t get that money back. It’s gone. You learn to draw a line in the sand.

You learn to love what you HAVE.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:39:50

GGMK3 Your last post is insulting!!!

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:28:26

Only because it is gained at the poverty of others GG13. Even it up a bit more like other economies of our size and what would anyone have to complain about?

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:15:27

GGMK3 I can assure you that “my wealth” as you put it is certainly not an issue to me, however wealth at any level does seem to be an issue for Labour Party supporters!!!

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:13:59

And the government GG13.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:13:23

Easily done humptydumpty

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:12:32

humptydumpty My income is between my accountant, the taxman and myself.

humptydumpty Sun 24-Nov-19 15:03:47

My profound apologies, GGMk3, my comment was, in fact, as I originally posted it, a response to GG13. Looking through the thread, I can see that my political views are close to yours.

Also, even to GG13, it wasn't meant to be rude, more of an exclamation, rhetorical, hence the exclamation mark.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 14:52:42

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GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 14:50:13

Inheritance is GG13.

I see it was actually you would wrote the "Netflix" comment humptydumpty asked me about. It appears your wealth is an issue to you all-round.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Nov-19 14:46:24

GGMK3 I do not think that death can be called “a transaction”.

lemongrove Sun 24-Nov-19 14:46:00

Thank goodness for that.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 14:45:03

Lemongrove, the words you used were, shall we say, not accurate. You keep challenging that fact because you need to be right. If people checked and referenced we would not get the continuous dumbing down of what purports to be the truth.

Elsewhere I also wrote something about why this would not be costed in a manifesto. I am not going to repeat myself.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 24-Nov-19 14:39:17

"I can assure you that a “Netflix subscription” is an awful lot less than the extra tax I as an individual will pay under Corbyns Labour."

I haven't time to look back humptydumpty but I don't believe I said that. I know nothing about Netflix and I would have put an apostrophe in Corbyn's or my software would have shouted at me.

I still, old-fashioned me, think it is rude to ask someone what their income is.