CIS women

Hear hear MawB and notanan2 we can’t all agree on everything on GN but you would think we ( women) could on
This cis label, at least.
We are certainly not ‘the past’ either ( said indignantly) and this subject is worth the fight.

I’ll join you there Luckygirl
Hillary and Chelsea Clinton’s new book “Gutsy Women” says it all, unsurprisingly it is not subtitled “Gutsy Ciswomen”.

Thank goodness for some common sense posts as the rest of the tosh has left me with vague indigestion.
There is not any Gransnet member agenda to oppose a modern movement designed to support vulnerable people you know.

I wonder if the difference is that truly gutsy women (the heroines of SOE, the women at Bletchley Park, the likes of Edith Cavell, Florence Nightingale, Betty Boothroyd, Baroness Hale, the Queen, even, for heavens sake Margaret Thatcher ) got on and did , while those who couldnt or can’t content themselves by whingeing that it’s down to language?

Cisgender (sometimes cissexual, often abbreviated to simply cis) is a term for people whose gender identity matches the sex that they were assigned at birth. For example, someone who identifies as a woman and was assigned female at birth is a cisgender woman.

I've just had to Google this

Who knew we are all CIS women lol as Luckygirl said why can't we just be women. What a load of pc tripe.

Maybe "cis" could be replaced by "real woman"!!!!!!

Ducks below parapet!

And they always flounce as well. But useful for other people to see the lack of a coherent arguement.

Woman/female does not infer how one behaves or dresses or feels. It allows for a full spectrum of all of that within the female sex.

CIS is far more "binary". It defines women by behaviours.

WOMAN expresses all shades of being/acting/feeling/dressing/behaving/doing.

CIS woman does not.

CIS was never a term coined by women for women.

And this is my final salvo on the subject. Moving on to another thread.

I do. I also think our language needs to change to express gender. We're stuck in binary mode and we are moving to express shades of being/gender.

Other cultures do this.

I also know ALL change involves struggle. The old guard (you, me, our generation) die off and the change becomes embedded.

We're the past.

Women being called CIS was never a response to any woman's needs!

Maybe I'm not the unwoke one.
....own goal..

So you do not think that children NEED adults who believe that they can dress, be, do, what they want regardless of their sex then?

Those of us who dont want "women" re-defined and replaced with narrow pigeon holes based on outward behaviours and appearances and "girly feelings" are quite fond of the 21st century, And dont want to go back to being seen as the fragile meek little decorative sex!

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

The key word in that sentence was NEED.

Maybe I'm not the unwoke one.

You are joking. You are telling us what we need. We need spaces without men, how come we arent allowed to decide what we need.

Calling yourself CIS doesnt just define you. It defines women in general by whether they do or dont match steriotypes

Not sure how you'd take to being told what YOU need without listening to what YOU had to say.

You know exactly how I would react to being called CIS or to adults using it around my daughters.

You see they never address any of the questions raised. They just shout bigot or you are too old. But fortunately brave women have fought and fought to raise this issue and sunlight is being shone, and when people see the name calling and lack of a coherent arguement they will make their own minds up.

We're in the 21st century. Join us maybe?

You are the one supporting a regression to the steriotypes of the 20th century, not me!

But nice of you to define what SOMEONE else needs. Not sure how you'd take to being told what YOU need without listening to what YOU had to say.

Notanam2, Let me just clarify YET AGAIN. No teacher in a mainstream school classroom EVER discusses this stuff with students.

If you think UK teachers have the time for anything other than the exhausting daily grind, you know little about the sausage factory education has become.

You may be not a nan, but you're clearly not a teacher either. I'm more worried about getting lesson plans written, books marked in 3 colour ink (NOT my 'woke' idea, this is what education has become) and jumping through academy hoops to be woke - YOUR word not mine).

We're in the 21st century. Join us maybe?

They need role models who are the sex they are without defining whether or not they "match" gender expectations. Why dont you want to be that role model?

By calling yourself CIS you are giving children rigid boxes.

If they dont fit in the CIS box, because they are girls but not girly, or boys who like make up, they will feel they have to find another one of your boxes. Rather than just being what they are!

I am not CIS because:

I dont believe in conforming to the gender steriotypes associated with my sex.

I do not believe that gender steriotypes are what defines sex.

People who express gender steriotypes that do not "match" their sex are not then the opposite sex.

Which is okay around adults (who will just think you sound like a bit of a woke numpty) but damaging around young people!