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Christmas lunch

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Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 19:18:29

My nice dear son, who like myself, is on his own this Xmas has just informed me he has bought a turkey crown and will come here and cook my "Xmas lunch" for me. He said the use by date on the turkey crown is the 27th.

I'd not keep fresh meat in the fridge as long as this. I would not enjoy eating meat that has been stored as long as this. I'd be worried for his health . I don't want to hurt his feelings, as he feels he is doing the right thing and doing me a good turn. For myself, I'm not traditional about Xmas food, but he is traditional about Xmas food..
I did actually say to him I'd not have bought fresh meat to keep for so long before use. and he replied as if his feelings were hurt. He offered to give it away to someone else.
Any ideas what to say, or just to go along with the horrible turkey and risk food poisoning? He is not even a particularly good cook. Gosh I hope he doesn't read this!

MiniMoon Sat 21-Dec-19 19:28:17

I'm sure the turkey crown will be fine. I expect it's vacuum packed, therefore, unless the pack is punctured, nothing can get in to spoil it.
We have meat here which is vac packed, and I've been known cook it after its use by date.
Don't tell Mr MM, he's a stickler for dates!

FlexibleFriend Sat 21-Dec-19 20:01:01

I'm assuming you're eating on the 25th so why would there be a problem if the use by date is the 27th?

Urmstongran Sat 21-Dec-19 20:07:48

That’s just what I was thinking *FlexibleFriend’!

Oopsminty Sat 21-Dec-19 20:09:29

It will be fine

BradfordLass72 Sat 21-Dec-19 20:39:55

Just enjoy the generosity and kindness of you son, your worry is all in your mind.

If something is, 'best before 27th' (or even 'use by') it is not going to suddenly swoop into dangerous decay on the morning after!

With any luck, it'll be through your alimentary canal and on its way to the treatment works by 27th.

BlueSapphire Sat 21-Dec-19 20:42:02

As others have said it will be fine. So long as the wrapping is not punctured and it is within its use-by date it is perfectly safe to eat.

cornergran Sat 21-Dec-19 21:02:04

Yes, definitely fine to cook. If you’re worried about your sons ability as a chef why not offer to put the turkey in the oven at the appropriate time? It is a kind and caring offer. Perhaps best to relax and enjoy your son’s company.

M0nica Sat 21-Dec-19 21:05:21

Christmas day is on the 25 December, the use by date is 27th. I cannot see what the problem is. The crown will be vacuum packed and providing he is storing it in a fridge and not on a radiator there should not be a problem.

If the meat were not safe and edible being stored in the fridge until then, the shop would not have put the 27th on as the use by date. As it is these dates always veer on the side of caution, it would probably be Ok for several days after that day.

The main thing is, that you have to cook the meat throughly. Thorough cooking will kill any pathogens in the meat anyway. All you need to do with any meat left over is slice it, put it straight in the freezer. When your son goes home present him with the frozen turkey slices wrapped up with a freezer block in a cool bag, if the journey is long (plus 3 hours) and he canput it back in the freezer and just take out slices as and when he wants them

Alternatively give it to the neighbours for their cat or dog, although that seems a shocking waste of good food.

Elegran Sat 21-Dec-19 22:06:00

Beef tastes better and is more tender if it has hung by the butcher for the appropriate time before it is sold. When you buy it, it wasn't slaughtered yesterday! The turkey, being poultry, was probably NOT hung before sale, so it is likely that it is far "younger" than that lovely joint of beef you would be eating if he hadn't bought turkey.

If EVERY turkey eaten in EVERY household had to be slaughtered the day before Christmas to prevent food poisoning, there would have to be mass recruiting of staff to do the deed!

If the use-by date on it is 27th Dec, and it has been properly stored and cooked, then it will be fine.

Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 22:27:35

cornergran, I can't offer to put the turkey in the oven at the appropriate time as he lives twenty miles away and will be bringing it. raw. have looked up the cooking times etc. and I will just have to try to supervise the preparation and the cooking times and temperature without his noticing. I don't even have a proper oven just a small table top one.
I do wish he had asked me what I'd like. My main concern is keeping this difficult day peaceful, without risking food poisoning. I will buy some of these special wipes for disinfecting the work tops.

Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 22:29:42

I will smile and joke and keep it all light hearted.

Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 22:32:37

Monica " Thorough cooking will kill any pathogens in the meat anyway. " this is what I will have to trust to.

Elegran Sat 21-Dec-19 22:52:15

I assume the turkey crown will have the appropriate time and temperature on the packaging? Or that your son (even if he is not a very good cook) is capable of reading a cookbook or looking up the internet? There is plenty of advice out there on thoroughly cooking poultry, as well as plenty of scaremongering about Christmas food poisoning.

There is nothing intrinsically different about a larger pice of meat than usual. Most of the problems occur because people either don't know the rules or can't be bothered to follow them.

1) Store it safely at below 5 degrees C. If it is frozen, defrost it thoroughly before cooking.
2) Wash hands before and after handling it.
3) Preheat oven to the right temperature.
4) Cook it for the recommended time.
5) Test it either with a food thermometer (at least 75 degrees C in the centre) or by piercing it to the centre with a skewer or sharp knofe and checking that the juices run clear.
6 ) Let it rest for a short while before carving it to allow the temperature to even out all through it.
7) Cover what is not carved for immediate use, while you eat.
8) Carve the rest as soon as you can and pack the slices in single portions to freeze and eat later.

Even better, get in plenty of rolls, butter them and fill them with sliced turkey, and freeze those - taken out of the freezer first thing in the morning, they will give you an instant light lunch on several grey days in January and February.

Ngaio1 Sat 21-Dec-19 22:56:22

If the use by date is the 27th and Christmas Day is on the 25th - what is the problem?

Farmor15 Sat 21-Dec-19 23:06:45

Retired microbiologist here?. Yes- it will be perfectly fine. Pathogens like Salmonella and Campylobacter will die in a few minutes at 60 degrees C. A turkey crown will cook much faster than a whole turkey but the wrapper usually gives cooking instructions. Don’t overlook or it will be very dry.

Hetty58 Sat 21-Dec-19 23:10:23

I always put baking tins in the (empty) sink first, then open meat packets above them - straight into tin and cook. There is no contamination of worktops and the sink is easy to clean.

I'm probably extra fussy as I'm vegetarian but cook meat for the family. I have a meat thermometer now but I used to cook things for an extra 15 - 20 minutes, just in case, before.

I used a mini oven for ages when we rebuilt the kitchen and it cooked just as well as a big oven, so I'm sure it will be fine!

Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 23:33:08

Thanks Hetty. Good idea about opening meat packets in the empty sink. Will do it.

Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 23:36:37

Thanks to Farmor for info about temps lethal to campylobacter and salmonella.

You are all very upbeat and I feel better.

phoenix Sat 21-Dec-19 23:54:11

Cooked on 25th, use by 27th!????

As others have said, I really cant see a problem! tchconfused

Curlywhirly Sun 22-Dec-19 06:59:26

Well I went to Sainsbury's on Friday just to see what Turkeys they had, and they had nearly all gone! Upon asking them, I was told they were not getting any others, that was all there was. So, most people had already bought theirs on the 19th, many days before they were going to be cooked. Needless to say, I bought mine too! As others have said, the turkey will be fine, its use by date is 27th, no problem at all. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

Yehbutnobut Sun 22-Dec-19 07:11:37

Hope you haven’t offended your son through such a careless remark.

TrendyNannie6 Sun 22-Dec-19 07:18:18

What a kind and caring son you have, I don’t understand your problem, Christmas Day is 25th, crown date is 27th, I would imagine his feelings would be hurt,

Ihonestlydontcare Sun 22-Dec-19 07:19:23

He’s been thoughtful and you’re being completely irrational and unreasonable. It’s going to be well within it’s sale by date (which are always very conservative) and it’s a very simple piece of meat to prepare and cook properly. What exactly are you worried about? Are you normally anxious? Please don’t ruin the day by fussing about something so unlikely and ridiculous, you’re equally likely to be abducted by aliens than get food poisoning from consuming turkey that’s cooked two days ahead of its sale by date. Honestly!

Yehbutnobut Sun 22-Dec-19 07:24:16

Suggest you fess up to your son by saying something like ‘I hope I didn’t upset you. I was just being a bit of a silly old woman and I really appreciate you cooking the lunch’.

Nothing like a heart felt apology and hug for clearing the air.