for Expats in the EU who voted remain, to be relly upset and angry at neighbours and 'friends' who have voted to leave?

Mamie
What a straight forward, easy to read article. I usually refer to the Gov.Uk site but this one was just as good, infact, I thought the para regarding marriage etc made it all sound very easy. I would still want to apply for settled status for my other half to ensure ease of access, he does have leave to remain for an indefinite period but still going to apply for settled as soon as the dust settles.

Not quite true grumppa. We lose the right to vote in Euro elections and local elections on Friday, so they will no longer be our representatives.

British expats. living in the EU will have continued access to MEPs in the same way as their indigenous neighbours. The MEPs, not being British, may not be terribly sympathetic, but that's life. They lost representation by UK MEPs when they emigrated.

MerylStreep I think there is still plenty to fear on the economic front.
I just hope that those who voted leave will have the decency to own the consequences.

The British in Europe site on the Withdrawal Agreement here.
britishineurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/BiE-WA-Explanation-Part-1.pdf

Mamie
Thank you for the truth, as opposed to more project fear.

I am more concerned that our Dutch pensions which we currently pay tax on in the U.K. will in future be taxed in the Netherlands.

So you have options then jura; read Mamie's posts and feel reassured or continue to fret about something you have no control over and which doesn't actually affect you personally. Or, go and harangue those who have put your expat group in this position.

The relevant extract is here.
"The Bill will ensure that citizens who have moved between the UK and the EU, or those who have interacted with the social security system of the UK and a Member State, before the end of the implementation period are not disadvantaged in their access to pensions, benefits and other forms of social security including healthcare cover. This includes protection for UK nationals who have interacted with social security systems in other Member States
Under the Withdrawal Agreement we will continue to follow the social security coordination regulations. Aligning with these rules is essential to the smooth functioning of the system and will ensure that individuals covered by the Withdrawal Agreement do not lose out. The Bill will allow us to make sure that our domestic legislation works alongside these EU rules."

So as I said upthread, the S1 health cover, pension uprating and rights to residence are protected for the rest of our lives, by law.

Chewbacca - there will no longer be any MEPs in a few days' time!

And you are not reading posts, are you? This is not about me/us. We live in an area where there are very very few Brits- and we are not in EU either and won't be affected in the same way at all. I am part of groups of expats in the EU, and they feel almost unable to meet or talk to those near them who have landed them in this uncertainty- especially those who have not got their permanent residence permits yet.

But it won't protect health cover for retirees via Form S1 and won't cover EHIC, will it?

Those who have worked in France and are part of CPAM system etc, will be OK - but not those on S1.

As for asking my MEP for advice- you surely can't be serious, can you ?!

Well it makes as much sense as coming here and asking if you're being unreasonable to be angry with your friends and neighbours who've landed you in this situation, don't you think? I'd go back to plan A and tell them how you feel, at least you'll know where you stand.

Not just France Jura. The Withdrawal Agreement covers all UK migrants in the EU.

How do people liv with loss of healthcare, 25Avalon?

Yes, those of you in France seem to be in a better situation than most Mamie- especially thos who have lived and worked in France and are part of CPAM, etc.

France is currently not requesting UK driving licences to be exchanged before the end of the month. What is the position for retirees who are covered for healthcare by Form S1 and EHIC- who were covered in France and whole of EU?

Chewbacca- where did I ask you for advice? Chestnut said we had to learn to adapt - it is hard to adapt to losing healthcare cover, especially when older and with pre-exisiting conditions- don't you think?

As for asking my MEP for advice- you surely can't be serious, can you ?!?

What is done is done. Live with it.

For pities sake, it's done, just get on with it or do you intend flogging a dead horse for ever more.

Thank you Mamie for a sensible and informed post that sets the record straight.

Can you tell me who (sic) an elderly couple, settled in the EU for many years- adapt to losing healthcare cover? I am sure they would love your bright ideas on the subject.

Why is it up to any UK resident to offer advice on "adapting" on anything post Brexit, to someone who has chosen to live outside the UK? I'm not sure why you think it's a problem for us to resolve. If you feel so strongly, refer them onto the "friends and neighbours" that you know voted Brexit and tell them to do the explaining.

Thanks for setting the record straight Mamie.
I completely agree with your penultimate paragraph

Sorry to come on and disagree with you Jura, but for those of us who are legally here or arrive before the end of 2020 the Withdrawal Agreement guarantees our rights for the rest of our lives, no matter what happens in the final trade agreement. Our rights to residence, health cover and pension uprating are fixed and backed by the ECHR and ECJ.
As far as driving licences are concerned, only the old paper licences could possibly still be valid. The credit card sized ones ones have to be renewed after ten years and any kind of licence has to be changed after an offence.
I am furious about Brexit, about the damage to the economy, to freedom of movement, to the fact that our grandchildren will no longer enjoy the rights that we have had and the (imo) narrow, nationalistic world view of the leavers. I simply cannot believe that anyone can seek to dismantle the trading arrangements of the last 47 years without any coherent plan for what happens next. It is an act of economic self-harm that I find completely incomprehensible.
The one small comfort I have is that with the passing of the Withdrawal Agreement we have a legally fixed security in our country of residence.

But what are you looking for in this thread jura? Sympathy? You've got it. But there's nothing that can be done about it now unless you think it might be worth contacting your MEP and raising your continuing worries with them. There's precious little that we, who are based in the UK, can do about the voting predilections of Brits living in another country is there? Or do you think there is?

Would that theoretical elderly couple be able to take citizenship of the country in which they live, Jura?

Why are you yourselves not covered by the Swiss Health Insurance? I don’t quite understand that.

Chestnut 'Just suck it up and learn to adapt to change. '

we will be able to- and this thread is NOT about us.

Can you tell me who an elderly couple, settled in the EU for many years- adapt to losing healthcare cover? I am sure they would love your bright ideas on the subject.

jane- they will find any excuse to by-pass this- if they don't get the deal they think we deserve and will say they have no choice due to EU's 'intransigeance' ... at the very last minute.