Veganism

Lamedos13 wrote:
" She kept it up for quite some time until she became quite ill with vitamin B12 deficiency. "
Marmite could have provided her with B12

My acquaintance is a reputable academic of long-standing. Her main focus isn’t on vegetarian/vegan diets or farming so I can’t see why she would be in the pay of the farming lobby.

When I was at school we were taught the three R's. I would expect the same for my children and GC.None of the teachers business what their pupils should / should not be eating. Leave that to the parents.

Davidhs
re overpopulation/immigration .With you on this.

GagaJo, you sound like every horror story about teachers that has ever been said ... typical attitude of an arrogant underworked member of teaching staff ... of course teachers have opinions, like everyone else and yes they do pass those on to vulnerable children. Your post is typical of the total lack of respect for anyone else’s opinion ... of course you won’t agree ... how dare anyone have a different opinion to you.
I’ll await the catty response to how wonderful you consider yourself ?‍♀️

yes you are.

why "tortured to death"?

In the UK animals are stunned electronically before being killed. There is no evidence that the stunning does not cause pain, but there is evidence that it doesn't always cause unconsciousness.

As an omnivore, I see no justification for lying to children about the methods used to provide meat for them to eat.

Halal slaughter does not allow stunning and I think research shows that killing without stunning is often done anyway so as to comply easily with the requirements of halal. Also, stunning is often done badly or the animal wriggles or slips. There is also the matter of the terror endured by the animals as a result of the smell of blood and the knowledge of other animals being confined and killed. That has a moral component as well as affecting the quality of the meat. Anyone know the work of Temple Grandin?

Schools in the US made efforts to encourage healthy eating- It simply didn't stick, they wanted nuggets, fries, chips, pizza and burgers, hold the lettuce and tomato, double the bacon cheese- They threw the fruit in the trash-

Yes although I was traumatised by witnessing chicken slaughter at about aged 10 it was an awakening as to how the food on our plate was actually produced and that animals can experience terror and pain like we do. Children, and everyone else, maybe should see what goes in in an industrialised factory farm and slaughterhouse. I’m pleased that I’ve lived a healthy lifetime without meat.

I have said several times that the child is 8 years old, thus still at Primary school.
I did not start this off as an attack on vegans and vegetarians and am sad to see that its turned into a battleground between meat eaters and non meat eaters. I could have used a little advice on whether or not its my place to offer an opinion, and how to comfort an emotionally stressed little girl. That was all I asked, not an emotional war which has nothing to do with the original subject.
Please STOP this war - everyone is entitles to their beliefs but this not the place to air them.
I am backing away now - this is no longer my post - carry on fighting ............

"Veganism is so healthily sound once you get your head round it"

Hmm, but not especially environmentally friendly?

And what about the other aspects of veganism, as in the non dietary ones?

No wool, no leather? As already stated, the alternatives to those aren't always particularly good.

It is quite possible to bring up healthy energetic children on a vegan diet.

Two of our DGCs have been brought up as vegans and are very fit and well. The reason the family became vegan was a near death experience their child had when she was given cows milk formula as a baby and went into anaphylactic shock. She the had a battery of allergy tests and was found to be severely allergic to all dairy products, eggs and sesame.

Another of our grandchildren, now 14, has just become vegan for ethical reasons.

It is important that anyone changing to a vegan diet understands the need for various nutrients and perhaps that should be taught in school food technology lessons.

I'm not entering debates about the morality of consuming animal products, but 2 things occur to me:
There is a lot of land in the UK which is unsuitable for growing crops. Eg very hilly or mountainous areas like the lake district, the Yorkshire moors, parts of Scotland and Wales . Having sheep there and then eating them doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Also I find it hard to see a moral objection to eating honey - it is not the same as nectar, the bees alter the sugar in the nectar, then vomit it into storage areas. It is therefore an animal product.
I can understand people choosing not to eat meat if that's what they prefer, but I don't think it is an environmental issue .
Air travel is more harmful to the environment than responsible farming, and I wonder how many people are prepared to do without overseas holidays....

From today's Times : drinking more than two cups of milk a day could increase the risk of breast cancer by 80%. New research from the Loma Linda University in California which observed 53,000 women over 8 years. In fact, Dutch research came up with this fact some years ago.

But still they argue that meat and milk is healthy....

As for shoes and woollen clothing, these are just lines in the sand, it's funny how anti-veggie/vegan orators insist on strict adherence to rules as though there should be special standards for the apparently unorthodox. In fact, alternative materials such as plastic pollute the environment and such items are often made in sweat shops. There are no easy answers.

Rachel ever read George Monbiot on sheep farming and bare uplands? It's not natural at all, here's a starter article : www.monbiot.com/2017/01/04/the-hills-are-dead/

Alexa-I didn’t suppose they did until I read about the primary child evidently being shown an abattoir, though how much of what goes on there was shown we weren’t told. I call that a scare tactic-just my opinion.

I would be deeply concerned, and absolutely livid at the apparent 'brainwashing'. I thank my lucky stars none of my AC has embraced and silly food fads, nor had partners that did so. We eat high welfare meat and dairy, we eat eggs (and have kept lots of poultry ourselves), I buy local produce as much as possible, we wear leather and wool, and will continue to do so.

Marmite is rich in vitamin B12. The Guardian has just run an article on Marmite for aficionados.

A plant based diet will speed up climate change.

Ananimous - how will a plant-based diet speed up climate change?

Chardy the UN think a plant based diet will help in the fight against climate change

Facts

Can I tell you a vegan joke? I promise it won't be cheesy.

I met this woman today who said she recognized me from a vegan group, but I'd never met herbivore.

LJPI you say Processing plant milks cause more CO2 production than extensively reared dairy cows

I have just googled that and you are wrong - at least as far as oat milk goes.

As a Pink Floyd fan, nothing makes me angrier than seeing a vegan eating pudding.
Because how can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?