To think footballers taking the knee is hypocritical?

Grandad thankfully is a one off on this site.

novaramedia.com/2020/06/01/the-uk-is-not-innocent-police-brutality-has-a-long-and-violent-history-here/

If you think kneeling as a sign of respect as a response to police brutality is anarchy Grandad, I question your moral compass.

Call me naive but I was horrified to see the Tweet this 12 year old sent

My grandson is almost 12

Had he sent that Tweet I'd not be feeling any sympathy for him at all

Quite pleased this boy was arrested

In fact this action may well make the stupid boy realise that you can't just post anything online. Good lesson to learn

I saw this woman in the paper the other day. Words failed me. The fact she feels superior! Breathtaking arrogance.

www.newsbreak.com/news/0PaYHAbx/racist-former-southampton-fc-steward-is-banned-from-the-club-for-posting-we-whites-are-the-superior-race-on-facebook

Yes OP I think you are being unreasonable

I also think all lives matter is unreasonable

Starblaze out

I can think of some very loud-mouthed and out of order girls on the council estate I grew up on fifty years ago. Perhaps they also should have been equally given a "good dressing down".

I think I was pointing out that 12 year old boys are often still very immature , full of hormones and don't give much thought to who they are upsetting or how. He , and the boys at school fifty odd years ago, probably thought they were comedians and the funniest ever. Both were wrong of course.
And I would have been happier if those boys had been given a dressing down, thank you.

Taking the knee is associated with the "Black Lives Matter" (BLM) organisation whose leadership is made up of people who are nothing short of political anarchists.

Those anarchists did gain widespread support from the police murder of a black person in America, but it would seem that very many who rallied to support BLM in the aftermath of the above incident now realise exactly what the organisation is that they signed up to.

Thankfully at sporting events over the last few days, many sportspeople including a considerable number in football are refusing to "kneel" with that being especially apparent at the Formula 1 Grand Prix where the majority of drivers seemed not to "kneel".

In Britain, no members of the police have been accused of kneeling on any persons neck while making an arrest, and therefore I certainly do not feel that this is an issue that requires to be "taken up" in Britain.

In regard to broader issues involving black people and other ethnic minorities, Britain has some of the strongest anti-discrimination legislation in the world by way of the Equality Act 2010. Therefore those that feel they are suffering intolerance and injustice should take action under the above legislation.

In my experience, the British Court and justice system adopt an equal attitude that "all lives matter" for those that reside in Britain.

I would want my child to be punished if he did any of those things you describe, I think I would be a bit of a rubbish parent if I didn't.

The comments aimed at Saha were from a 12 year old boy. I imagine that he is the same type of 12 year old boy who when I was young would have drawn pictures of boobs on his books, twanged my bra strap and offered to show me his penis. I suspect that now he would be up before the headteacher being punished.
Of course he shouldn't have sent the tweets, but he's only 12. I can imagine him being bored and just wanting to cause mischief with little understanding of what he is doing.Nowadays the way to do that is on social media.
I suspect that my comment will cause a riot here but really he is probably not a danger to Saha . Unpleasant,yes, but no more than that. The best course of action would be for him to meet Saha and make an apology.

Were devoted to ALL LIVES MATTER.

It is a distraction from proper debate and the nub of this thread.. endemic & systemic racism & how to demonstrate against it... to quibble over the wording of " take the knee" or "kneeling". We know what both mean..

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^As for the pathetic fuss about saying taking the knee instead of kneeling........what does it matter.^

Dear me! I expressed a simple opinion in less than three lines. One other poster wrote a line of agreement and that constitutes a pathetic fuss?
Gah! I'm outa here.

Yours is not the only post to quibble about the wording of this.

Judging by the (only) threads Flopen has started I suspect they’re only here for the sport.

Flow (of the) Pen indeed ?

As for the pathetic fuss about saying taking the knee instead of kneeling........what does it matter.

Dear me! I expressed a simple opinion in less than three lines. One other poster wrote a line of agreement and that constitutes a pathetic fuss?
Gah! I'm outa here.

Wilfred Saha, Crystal Palace player was targeted with vile horrific racial abuse on social media this weekend. For this alone I think footballers are correct to take the knee.
I do know several professional players, from Premier League through to non league. The majority may have had a different sort of education to many of us (football apprenticeships) but their experience of life and opinions should be respected as much as anyone else’s. And the movement is not just about the abhorrent violence and racism in USA and here, it infers ALL black lives matter whether here, Qatar, USA, UAE, from the sweatshops in Leicester to the rest of the world. There is no excuse for treating people badly because of skin colour and I think taking the knee by high profile figures raises awareness in just one way.

Jackie Charlton , who has recently died aged 85 was a very vocal anti racist. He & Brian Clough campaigned together to rid football of racisim.

Sorry to repeat myself, but I find footballers taking the knee moving.

Another repeat - I go to league football 20+ matches a season, and it's very, very rare to hear racist chanting (twice in 30 years?) and individuals who loudly use racist language are ususually told to shut up.

Why is it wrong for people to express their views in whatever way they choose? Why do some people think their way is the only way? The footballers are role models for many of our young so it seems a very positive thing for them to do.

Alot of footballers are BAME, they just wanted to show support for BLM.
They are not hypocrites and people who think they are should look at the labels in their clothes and see where they are made. No one is perfect, we can only try.

Gosh flopen are you for real? if so, I count myself fortunate not to have met you.

Yes, I do have gender issues. I'm a woman.

flopen

And 'breaking down cisgender privilege ' it's bollocks like that that mean I'm not going to be voting Labour in the near future.
And defunding the police? Really?

You feel cisgender privilege is bollocks because you don't have any gender issues.

You don't value BLM because you're not black.

You won't vote Labour because they don't have EXACTLY your own opinions about peoples lives.

If your politics are becoming more right wing, that is fair enough. But don't denigrate organisations that are trying to improve the lot of those with less power and who suffer discrimination. You don't have to agree with them. Doesn't make them bollocks.

I don't agree with the pubs being open. It doesn't mean that I think everyone in a pub at the moment is an idiot. Their choice.

Anybody who does not agree with BLM should watch this

youtu.be/HUOeeGDUdD8

Nobody can know what those footballers who take the knee are feeling. It may feel very relevant to them and to call them hypocrites is wrong.

When I pin on a poppy I feel sad for all those who lost their lives. Is that hypocritical?