My friend has multible support bubbles

There isn't much you can do about other peoples attitudes. Just keep yourself and your immediate family as safe as possible and avoid close physical contact with family/friends/colleagues that are flouting the rules.

I too lost my husband at the start of this awful pandemic and had to isolate due to age and being diabetic. I spent 2months talking to my daughter and grandchildren through the window when they delivered my groceries. Then the bubble was introduced and it was so welcome, I could hug my grandkids again.
People like this, abusing the rules put in jeopardy the little bit of contact we have with our family. It infuriates me that they are selfish enough to think the rules don’t apply to them and will be the first to moan when full lockdown is put in place because of idiots like them. And don’t get me started on the non mask wearers.

ExD I may be wrong but I understood that people travelling from a tier take the rules of their home tier with them. This applies if travelling from tier one to tier two, but not so sure about travelling to tier three. If this is the case, those travelling from one to two can meet with up to six people.

But which set of rules do you follow?

The link which M0nica posted was dated 9th September 2020 and talks about making support bubbles.

I've just checked Gov UK and the latest guidance I can find was posted on 12th October 2020 and it varies depending on which area you live in. The PM keeps telling us that he is differentiating between areas.

I am fortunate to live within a Tier 1 zone where the infection rate is low. As far as I can see the advice for Tier 1 makes no mention of support bubbles, just the rule of 6.

As many others have stated, washing hands, wearing masks, maintaining social distance has become a way of life for me. Having said that, again following the PM's advice, I will not live my life in fear.

We do not meet up as a complete family as that would break the rule of six. It's a sadness but we all understand the necessity of it.

I daily see other people not respecting the rules but I see no point in getting stressed about it as it would have no effect on them.

I'm sure that someone will tell me I am wrong in my interpretation of the latest advice, but such is life. I feel for all of you living in tiers 2 and 3.

ExD I was referring to your second post, not the first one about three bubbles. I think it's all complicated!!!

For goodness sake if there was a cure for stupidity we wouldn’t be in such a dire situation. ?

I can completely sympathise with anyone who finds all the new concepts hard to understand. Rather than get involved in trying to change other people's interpretation, I just stay away from anyone who isn't being as careful as they should be.

Yes definitely only ONE bubble- shes just trying it on to get to see ALL her family! Its folk like her who are still helping to spread this blooming disease!! Ive a few AC with their own families- only one of whom actually lives near me- but ive not even bubbled with her cause quite frankly its all still a risk as she goes out to shops& hosp appts so its not worth it.Also if youve more than one AC how would you choose without others taking offence- so no im sticking to only having contact of my 2 sons who still live at home(17&22) Youre friend and many others- are 'pretending' they dont understand the rules just so they can bl**dy flout them! It makes me so angry! ?

You are correct. You are only allowed to be in one support bubble. In zone 2 she should not be mixing indoors with anyone else. Certainly not all at once. The rule of 6 is for everyone. It is really not hard to understand, only 6 people unless more than 6 always live in the same household. We have 5 in our household so I can't have my dd, sil and 2dgc around this Xmas. Nor can my dh have his elderly parents. We are in zone 1 at the moment and just dh and I hope to visit his elderly parents, who live in zone 2, at some point in December but will meet up outside in a park and sit distanced. The reason this virus is spreading so rapidly is some people think the rules just do not apply to them. It is madness. I still see people in shops without masks. If people can't wear a mask they should at least wear a vizor over their face. In other countries there are no excuses just wear a mask or don't go into shops.

I agree Rosieroe??

Yes i agree with you Newnanny about the shops- and the transport too as my sons a bus driver- far too many are 'getting away with it' by claiming they have reasons not to wear one- and even are getting the exempt badge somehow- but why not wear a visor then?? And as my youngest son said-and hes got asthma and other medical problems- he would always Want to wear one anyway as he sees that as you need the extra protection more than ever, not do without it! My elder bus driver son wont let them on if they dont have exemption badge- but i imagine some
have found ways to forge or buy one even.

What about the rule of 6?

But surely if you travelled from a lower tier you would have then follow whatever rules the higher tier then have? And a rule of six is only usable OUTDOORS anyway.and no sixes or anything for tier 3 people i believe.

Your friend is wrong -and she probably knew it- she is a danger to herself and others

Awesomegranny you put it much more succinctly than I did.

This link from Age Concern may also clarify the situation:

www.ageuk.org.uk › coronavirus › local-lockdown-tiers

You can only have one support bubble (and you have to be living alone to have one at all) but of course you can visit another family member/s under the rule of 6. And it is worth remembering that the bubbles and rule of 6 do not actually protect you in any way; they just reduce the spread for the purpose of stopping the NHS collapsing.

"Recklessgran" you are caring for vulnerable people You can't have 2 bubbles but you can have one and care for a vulnerable I with the other That is within the law

Rusty fairy, I applaud your thinking re the 14 day gap. Not easy but very well thought out. We're all doing the best we can in testing and individual circumstances. Very sorry about your recent loss. Awful. Keep doing your best. I admire you.

@ExD

You are correct.

But how is your married son in a bubble with his in-laws if there are at least 2 adults in each household?
We are a support bubble for my daughter and 2 grandchildren because her husband is at sea in a submarine.

Being blunt..... your friend’s an idiot

Recklessgran what you are doing is within the rules as your visits to both households are 'essential'.

Therustyfairy, sorry to hear about your loss. If absolutely everyone took the same precautions as you do, it would be over so much sooner.

I am not clear on the child care bubble bit we were looking after GCs on Saturdays to give DiL a break. She has now formed support bubble with DS (they split last year) so my question is can we still look after GCs we are now all in tier 3. I can't work it out. I used to be fairly intelligent before lockdown brain kicked in?
I know we can't travel anywhere while in tier 3 unless its for work.

Forwarded to me by our very sensible son-in-law.