I wasn’t a Birthing Person and I didn’t Chest Feed

I don't mind middle aged straight men- they're not all like Jeremy Clarkson, thank goodness. But nor do I mind transwomen, transmen, non-binary, gay, straight or queer people. In fact I thnk the huge variety and diversity of the human race is to be celebrated. Nor do I think campaignng for human rights is something to regret. Human rights are not a finite resource, others having them does not diminish mine. Rather the reverse the more people who have them the more they will be extend to others.

I've tended to stay away from this topic because I find it too upsetting.
The main reason because sometimes young children are given the choice to decide on a change of gender before they're not mature enough to realise what that implies. The possibilities exist only because of so called advances in medical science.
Which provide extra income for those who benefit financially.
The daughter of a friend has changed from F to M. We've known her since she was a little girl - very sensitive, delicate, but not resilient.
Now she's physically stocky. broad shouldered, bearded.
But her nature hasn't changed.

Kandinsky

Not really much we can do now.
For years, feminists, & basically anyone other than your average daily mail reader has campaigned for ‘the anything goes society’. - middle aged, straight white men, are / were, the object of much ridicule & even hatred. ( think Jeremy Clarkson ) These are now the only people who are slightly sympathetic to women’s outrage at things like this.
Sadly, we’ve campaigned ourselves into a corner & can’t stamp our feet complaining now after banging the drum for the rights of so many for so long.

This issue has nothing at all to do with feminism / in fact quite the reverse. The underpinning issue is whether or not radical transactivists will succeed in erasing women as a biological category

Not really much we can do now.
For years, feminists, & basically anyone other than your average daily mail reader has campaigned for ‘the anything goes society’. - middle aged, straight white men, are / were, the object of much ridicule & even hatred. ( think Jeremy Clarkson ) These are now the only people who are slightly sympathetic to women’s outrage at things like this.
Sadly, we’ve campaigned ourselves into a corner & can’t stamp our feet complaining now after banging the drum for the rights of so many for so long.

Thank you suzie but I actually want to know what the letters cis stand for.

Espana

Could I ask what cis means?

The use of that word makes me apoplectic with rage. It means a biological or natal woman ie a woman

Could I ask what cis means?

I breast fed both my babies but not every mother can or wants too that’s their choice.
If flat chested no breasted people could breast feed it wouldn’t catch on. Simply because feeding a newborn on the hour every hour would interfere with sleep.....

It is also not breast milk but human milk ? according to Brighton and hive trust hospital
The image of cuddling and feeding babies doesn’t quite work with ‘human milk ‘ mad

Iam64

Doodledog

trisher

So actually no one is "changing" anything just adding to the vocabulary used so that minorities can be treated with understanding and sympathy.
I do notice that the "I'm not anti-trans brigade" who were posting misinformation about protected spaces have now taken on this thread since they were called to account elsewhere.

Bollocks. Or whatever the word is nowadays.

Speaking only for myself, I left the other thread purely because I got so sick of repeating that I am not anti-trans (and you have no right to tell me what I am), but have all the concerns that I laid out time and again on that thread be ignored and met with some gaslighting nonsense. I did explain why I was leaving the thread, but as usual you obviously didn't listen to anything that does not fit your misogynist agenda.

I don't think that any of us arguing that feminism is not about moving over for men were 'called to account' on that thread, and nor are we 'a brigade'.

Anyway, this is re-hashing another thread, but I didn't want to sit back in the face of an unnecessary and inaccurate dig when you brought the other thread up.

Apologies for the long quote, one that already includes a quote.
I’m another who stopped posting on the other thread. It’s no surprise to see those posters who disagreed with trisher as ‘the anti trans brigade’ . It isn’t anti trans to want to protect women.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how asking someone who doesn't want to be called a woman, who has gender dysphoria and chooses to be called a man to conform to your beliefs, that he is a woman, because you choose to believe he cannot change the sex he was born, is in anyway supporting or protecting women.
As usual the whole emphasis of this thread is upon transwomen. It is transmen the vocabulary is being introduced to deal with. Some think they remain women, but apparently not women worthy of protection or consideration.
I posted the case earlier which is probably the driving factor behind this and which has nothing to do with transwomen.

Apologies if this has been said but I did think that chest feeding (not allowed to mention breasts) is ludicrous.
Also human milk instead of breast milk. Milk for babies comes from the breasts and I have breast fed all my children.

What I would like to know is how many trans-women are really offended by the words breast feeding? Or is it just 'woke' people who are stirring this up.

As men have breast tissue then what is wrong with calling it breast-feeding?

It is not that it is wrong to call it breastfeeding. I was answering another posters comment.

As Muse has said it is not about the process being renamed per se.

WW010, brilliant, spot on comment?

I don't know how many on this thread have read the news about this report.

This is my third comment about it and my apologies but I'm repeating some of what I have said before.

Brighton and Sussex Hospitals NHS Trust are not insisting the midwives, or in fact the rest of the country, use these terms. The terms are additional ones.

The Trust stressed that when interacting with a patient in a one-on-one scenario, midwives should continue referring to their gender.

A policy document released this week, said staff should not stop using the word 'woman' or other terms describing motherhood but they should consciously start adding in the word 'people' and other more inclusive language.

Some newspapers have deliberately used a provoking headline.

Callistemon As I've said above the Trust haven't said it is wrong to use the term breast feeding. They are quite happy and want the midwives to continue to use that term.

Why chest? Men have breasts too and all the other varieties of person too presumably

Elegran ? It would probably be said we had no rights to periods as it is called MENstruation !!!!!

I don’t understand?!?!?!! I don’t know if I’m anti trans, pro trans, I just don’t understand what I’m supposed to be bothered about. Call yourself and your chest/breast what you like. Just don’t bother other people with it. As for ‘woke’ - I think I’m woke in that I’m awake and paying attention- is that ok???

Madgran77

*Surely they wouldn't be able to chest feed then*
I believe science is now able to create lactation in these circumstances

As men have breast tissue then what is wrong with calling it breast-feeding?

Surely they wouldn't be able to chest feed then
I believe science is now able to create lactation in these circumstances

Doodledog

trisher

So actually no one is "changing" anything just adding to the vocabulary used so that minorities can be treated with understanding and sympathy.
I do notice that the "I'm not anti-trans brigade" who were posting misinformation about protected spaces have now taken on this thread since they were called to account elsewhere.

Bollocks. Or whatever the word is nowadays.

Speaking only for myself, I left the other thread purely because I got so sick of repeating that I am not anti-trans (and you have no right to tell me what I am), but have all the concerns that I laid out time and again on that thread be ignored and met with some gaslighting nonsense. I did explain why I was leaving the thread, but as usual you obviously didn't listen to anything that does not fit your misogynist agenda.

I don't think that any of us arguing that feminism is not about moving over for men were 'called to account' on that thread, and nor are we 'a brigade'.

Anyway, this is re-hashing another thread, but I didn't want to sit back in the face of an unnecessary and inaccurate dig when you brought the other thread up.

Apologies for the long quote, one that already includes a quote.
I’m another who stopped posting on the other thread. It’s no surprise to see those posters who disagreed with trisher as ‘the anti trans brigade’ . It isn’t anti trans to want to protect women.

You can be called "mother", you can breast feed. Your rights are neither diminished nor threatened because someone else doesn't want to be referred to as "mother" and doesn't want to be asked if he is going to breast feed because he found having breasts uncomfortable and prefers not to hear about them.
It's called choice and it is the basis of a democratic society.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of and I've heard a lot of rubbish recently. Society has gone mad and we need to stop fawning to unrealistic demands. You feed from a breast, therefore you breast feed. You use your chest to breathe -end of!!

RulaNula

Apologies if this has been mentioned but what about breast cancer?

Will this now be called chest cancer?

Interesting question, RulaNula

Men can get breast cancer as they do have a small amount of breast tissue.

So whose ridiculous idea is it to re-name breast feeding chest feeding? Do they not realise that men have breast tissue?

Tea3 your comment made me chuckle! I am a breastfeeding mum (or should I say chestfeeding!) and this language definitely hasn't been adopted by any of the health visitors or midwives I've been in contact with lately. It might take a while to catch on.

geekesse

*Doodledog*, people can talk about what they like - my point was that I see no reason to get het up about this.

Well obviously you don't have to get het up if you see no reason to, but clearly other people are, and the fact that there is a pandemic that eclipses most topics in terms of seriousness is no reason why they should be told to get over it.