Brexit is the cause of the shortages

I’m totally fed up of the name calling from those who voted remain. I am not gullible nor racist. I voted for Brexit and would do again, as would every single person I know. Since we have now left the EU, I presume that the name calling will cease? Mind you, in Scotland we had a referendum in 2014 and the country hasn’t been the same since.
As for the recent shortages - do you think having a pandemic may have had something to do with the problem? You do realise that Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, France and the USA (to name but a few) are also suffering shortages? I presume this is not down to BREXIT? There is a shortage of HGV drivers in nearly every country.
It was very simple for people who wanted to stay to apply to be able to. My German mother didn’t have a choice other than to take British nationality (in the 1960s).

We rolled over so many things when we brexited, including all the European laws that so many people objected too.There was a compendium Act that went through Parliament and I was surpirsed at the time that so many epople failed to notice it happening

It is not just the U.K. which is suffering supply chain issues, the USA is not in a good place.
There is a worldwide shortage of labour due to Covid-19, Brexit is just part of the issue.

Racingsparrow

If you think the UK is an island surrounded by the EU you need to buy an Atlas. We trade quite happily with the rest of the world and the EU have no control over that. Could you explain why you think they do.

Maybe you could explain what we trade with the rest of the world? But you should ignore the 30+ EU trade deals that were rolled over when Britain ran away from the EU.

Racingsparrow

If you think the UK is an island surrounded by the EU you need to buy an Atlas. We trade quite happily with the rest of the world and the EU have no control over that. Could you explain why you think they do.

errrr....

If you think the UK is an island surrounded by the EU you need to buy an Atlas. We trade quite happily with the rest of the world and the EU have no control over that. Could you explain why you think they do.

youtu.be/twS_COailzk
This isn t a horrible video - it’s one showing a pig doing a jigsaw puzzle.

Callistemon how do you think pigs are being mass killed on farms? In some abattoirs they are put in gas chambers where at least they don’t know what is happening. I don’t think you’d want to see the evidence. Pigs are very intelligent and sensitive, it’s just they aren’t cute and cuddly that makes them one of the most abused animals on the planet. In the U.K. now there are sows kept in pens where they can hardly turn.

are being shot in the sight , sound and smell of others. Imagine the bloodbath and terror.

Do you have evidence for that?

Sweden and Austria have stricter laws on animal welfare than the U.K. to name 2.
Two out of 27 in the EU

Sweden and Austria have stricter laws on animal welfare than the U.K. to name 2. I’m sure they aren’t all adhered to either there or here - How many prosecutions are there for animal cruelty in the U.K. ? Not many is the answer those who believe we have the “best welfare in the world” have no evidence other than fairy stories. I could show you horrendous videos of animal cruelty ( no I don’t want to see them and neither would you) in the U.K. where there has been loads of evidence and NO prosecutions. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs yet they are treated as a commodity to be eliminated when they serve no economic purpose. Those pigs lives are literally worth nothing. They have lived all their short lives indoors in a tiny spaces now have no room to move and are being shot in the sight , sound and smell of others. Imagine the bloodbath and terror.

Well, we don't have mink farms here thank goodness.

If you think that animal welfare standards are better in the EU then either you have not travelled much or believe propaganda. British animal welfare standards are amongst the highest in the world.

EU legislation may be stringent but is not always adhered to.

I think though that farrowing pens are illegal in uk but are used in Denmark and Holland?

It’s a myth that U.K. animal
Welfare standards are higher than in the EU. 90% pigs reared in the U.K. are reared indoors. Tone reason for slaughtering them all on the farm now is that they’ve grown too big for their accommodation - that tells you something about the space they are given.

Whitewavemark2

Businesses including the Brexit support next ceo are telling the government that the only way to solve the staff shortage issue is through a good solid visa system.

These loudmouth Brexit supporters like the Next CEO, Wetherspoons CEO, Pru Leith and the rest of them should be apologising for their disastrous lack of judgement, not asking to be a special case. Bar staff and shop assistants are not special staff. I don't eat any meat, but when shopping for bacon for family, I have always bought UK due mainly to the lower animal husbandry standards in Denmark and Holland. I feel sorry for the pigs, but not in general for the farmers, the majority of whom voted for this mess. Same with the fish industry. They were all warned and sneeringly disregarded the advice of experts, so here we are, some of us involuntarily, but many in a catastrophe of their own choosing.

Businesses including the Brexit support next ceo are telling the government that the only way to solve the staff shortage issue is through a good solid visa system.

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

This

"Everybody who warned Project Fear was going to happen was shouted down by the people now in power.

"Before your very eyes the Government are saying the predictions were right - and it was part of our plan."

@mrjamesob

The video that goes with that tweet is illuminating.

We on GNet are very familiar with the strange phenomenon of having 'Project Fear' shouted at us when we pointed out the probable consequences of Brexit (as per the government's own Yellow Hammer document) while being told that it was never expected to be easy. Schrodinger's Brexit, really..

twitter.com/LBC/status/1445378612585185282

I wish I was as articulate as he is. He is saying exactly what I have wanted to say all week!

Whitewavemark2

This

"Everybody who warned Project Fear was going to happen was shouted down by the people now in power.

"Before your very eyes the Government are saying the predictions were right - and it was part of our plan."

@mrjamesob

The video that goes with that tweet is illuminating.

We on GNet are very familiar with the strange phenomenon of having 'Project Fear' shouted at us when we pointed out the probable consequences of Brexit (as per the government's own Yellow Hammer document) while being told that it was never expected to be easy. Schrodinger's Brexit, really..

twitter.com/LBC/status/1445378612585185282

This

"Everybody who warned Project Fear was going to happen was shouted down by the people now in power.

"Before your very eyes the Government are saying the predictions were right - and it was part of our plan."

@mrjamesob

Value as in not just cash, but in protection with good regulation. Not encouraging long hours driving. Protection from unscrupulous employers. That sort of thing.

The Tories do not have a good track record and have consistently voted against these sort of regulations. Together with now being intent on repealing the HR act.

Remember the mantra “Bonfire of the regulations”?

No they do not value the worker. Never have, never will.

Whitewavenark2 what did you say/mean then?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

I just love this newly discovered “let’s value the workers” mantra.

Who believes the Tories?

I would have thought that everybody would be in favour of paying folks a living wage ?

That’s not what I said though is it?

It's ironic, but the Tories are not styling themselves as the party of the lower paid, now promoting an increase in the minimum wage. It will be increased, wages are going to have to rise, basic supply and demand. However people will still not flock to these jobs because they are not in their area of the country and they will find work elsewhere. More permits will be issued to foreign workers who will eventually forgive us and be lured back by the wages hike. Prices will rise inevitably. But that's what Brexit was about - we all pay more? Or maybe that wasn't actually mentioned on the bus.....

I agree with you that Mr.Johnson is a Libertarian at heart, which is why he struggled with lockdowns and Covid which meant taking away people’s freedom/liberty.

Me WWmk2. In itself I’ve always believed it.
The Tories? Not so much to be honest.
But Boris?
Definitely. I think he’s a libertarian more than a Tory like Cameron and May.

M0nica

Urmstongran The reason the supermarkets are selling foreign pork is because it comes in ready butchered and packaged. We lack the abattoir workers, the butchers and the lorry drivers to prepare the pork that could replace foreign pork on supermarket shelves.

Farmers could, of course shoot their pigs and then deliver the unprocessed pigs to the supermarkets, but that would cause all kinds of problems.

That will mean because of a strong demand from the UK, prices will go up in my local market, not that a buy a lot of meat. Are you importing the French sausage?