Where to buy quality underwear?

In the UK 50.9% of the population of the UK are female and I believe 1% of the population identify as trans.

For a shop to change its pants so that 50.9% of their customers don't want them but 1% do is either very foolish or very odd.

A bit like this thread really.

I don’t see why the OP should go elsewhere to buy her favourite knickers , and I don’t agree that there is lots of choice unless you like low cut ones. They all vary in comfort and fit and when you find some you like it’s annoying when the makers change the shape.Don’t trans women need a gap for speedy access as in men’s pants?couldn’t the makers feminise some male underwear instead?

The pants arent drastically different.
There's a bit more stretch and a bit more material.
But enough for a previously loyal customer to notice the change.

Calling someone foolish is a cowardly way to try and end a discussion.

Yes Why not feminise more of the male underwear?
That's not going to happen.

"Calling someone foolish is a cowardly way to try and end a discussion."

Calling someone "a woke idiot designer" is a lazy way to dismiss an entire ethos.

I didn't call anyone foolish. I called the thread foolish.

You have a perfect right to raise this if you have found a change in the product. I know how annoying that can be when something you have been happily buying for years is suddenly different and not in a good way. Any chance you can post a link to this product? It would be helpful to see the item.

Has anyone asked M&S about this or taken the pants back and told them why? It does seem an odd marketing strategy, however, as I have had problems getting a bra that fits from them even though I was buying the same type, maybe they are changing everything as some mad post covid exercise.

The larger gussets in some M&S knickers are to catch leaks.

If men have periods they could be ideal.

its sainsburys full briefs isn't it? I agree they have changed the cut. They are really tight on my bum but loose at the front

I wanted a dress at Christmas and I waited for it to be reduced and I was left in the unfortunate situation that lots of men had bought it and posted photos of themselves in it (they looked like men not transwomen fwiw) and I decided not to buy it

If I can get my bum off this chair I'm off to M&S to return a pack of knickers that I bought in four sizes too big!

I'll be on the look out so don't accidentally buy tackle-accommodating drawers.

As has been said, why not feminise male underwear.

I’ve just bought loads of lacy knickers from m'ns and I thought they were rather skimpy so I don’t think they are the ones being written about,unless I’ve put on weight in strange places. I would have thought transmen would be more upmarket.

Coastpath

In the UK 50.9% of the population of the UK are female and I believe 1% of the population identify as trans.

For a shop to change its pants so that 50.9% of their customers don't want them but 1% do is either very foolish or very odd.

A bit like this thread really.

But you needed (well, used) this thread to say your foolish bit. Sorry, to join in the foolishness, I mean. ?

I haven't read the entire thread but what I have read (first half-ish) I have enjoyed. Well done, snowberry, for raising the issue when people are getting "cancelled" for merely pointing out biological facts.

I don’t see why the OP should go elsewhere to buy her favourite knickers M&S have changed the design of my favourite bra. Should I strop and insist they remake it in my preferred style? Or do what I had to do and look elsewhere?

For a shop to change its pants so that 50.9% of their customers don't want them but 1% do is either very foolish or very odd.

A bit like this thread really.

Storm in a gusset innit? Which sounds a LOT more exciting than it really is.

A bit difficult to return unsatisfactory pants as, presumably, they'll have been tried on and stores won't want them back. How to tell if they don't fit though?
I've noticed M&S sizes changing recently. My trusty trousers in a style and size I've worn for years needed replaced and suddenly my usual length is 4 inches too long. Very annoying but at least I could return them. I don't think I'm four inches shorter unless Covid vaccine has this unusual side effect?!

I don’t see why the OP should go elsewhere to buy her favourite knickers M&S have changed the design of my favourite bra. Should I strop and insist they remake it in my preferred style? Or do what I had to do and look elsewhere?

They stopped doing my favourite altogether, no response to enquiries so I do feel very stroppy! Unfortunately I can't find a similar one that fits as well anywhere.

Yep, M&S 'short length' jeans are now at least 2" too long.

Just an observation. In my experience anything "new and improved" is usually a disappointment. I wish things could stay the same for a while so that I could catch up with life in general.

Riverwalk

Yep, M&S 'short length' jeans are now at least 2" too long.

That explains a lot
I thought my legs were being worn down and feared that I might end up like a dachshund!

Maw ????

M&S Regular length used be just right but are just a bit too long now. Short are not quite long enough!

However, two pairs of everyday trousers bought in winter 2020 were just right - but do they make them any more? No, of course not.

I bought trousers from Land's End instead. Two pairs are just right, one pair is 4 inches longer than the others.

My DD is feeling very stroppy about the bra thing. She was so pleased to find one at a reasonable price in M&S as opposed to her usual Freya ones. It's been discontinued.
I too have seen lots of men's reviews when looking for a recommended brand of pants on Amazon.
I do think it might be better if it was made clear that they have a bigger gusset so that women would know before buying.
I often think I would like my OH's lycra shorts if they were adapted for females.

Riverwalk

Yep, M&S 'short length' jeans are now at least 2" too long.

I've had that problem too - 4 in. longer than my old pair.

snowberryZ

Doodlebug, you mean like when they put a V on food packaging to indicate it's suitable for vegans?
--goes through bin to check packaging for giant T--

Maybe. I guess something like that, but probably not a giant one, as that would make it more obvious that a transwoman was buying them.

Transpants, or whatever they'd be called, would be aimed at a very specific market, so there is no point in hiding them in the Ladies' Knickers aisle in M&S where women are likely to buy them and be dissatisfied with the fit. However much AGP transwomen want to think that they are indistinguishable from women, many of them have body parts that need to be accommodated, and they need to know which pants will provide this accommodation if they aren't to be uncomfortable and/or reminded that they are wearing garments designed for women.

It makes no sense not to label them.

The problem with men’s Levi cords when women first started wearing them was that to accommodate your hips you ended up with the waist too big. So doesn’t underwear for trans women also need to be tighter on the waist as well?Just asking