To think this is odd in view of what’s already been said

Yes, of course it is.
That is just splitting hairs, though, as far as I'm concerned

The UN's definition of a child is immaterial Petera when in the UK the legal age of consent is 16.

I agree MissA that the age of someone known to have been trafficked for sex is irrelevant, because that is an illegal act.

Having sex with someone you know to have been trafficked is illegal, as far as I know.
The age is irrelevant.

The age is relevant when it relates to paedophilia.

MissAdventure

Having sex with someone you know to have been trafficked is illegal, as far as I know.
The age is irrelevant.

I thought so too

and actually tickingbord I can as it breaks GN guidelines to single out a specific ethnic group (especially when it has nothing to do with the discussion)

Paedophile: someone who is sexually attracted to children (I cannot find a dictionary that qualifies this as young children).

The clue is in the word ‘children’. I’m not aware of old children.

Having sex with someone you know to have been trafficked is illegal, as far as I know.
The age is irrelevant.

JaneJudge

Is procurement of under 18s from other countries for prostitution legal in the UK?

Yes but I don’t think he did any procuring. That was Epstein and Maxwell.

Also Jane he wasn’t married at the time as you say, he was divorced.

JaneJudge. You don’t decide what can or can’t be posted on this thread regardless of your name!

Germanshepherdsmum

Of course not Petera. She was above the age of consent here as I’m sure you know. I just commented that he’s not a paedophile, a description often used.

Paedophile: someone who is sexually attracted to children (I cannot find a dictionary that qualifies this as young children)

Child: in England someone who has not yet reached their 18th birthday.

This is not and never has been, as I'm sure you know, about the age of consent.

Hebephilia and ephebophilia

Hebephilia is the term used to describe a preferential sexual interest in pubescent (i.e. early adolescent) individuals, rather than adult partners. As with paedophilia, it is not a term that would be applied to under-16s. A related term is ephebophilia, used to describe a preferential sexual interest in adolescent individuals (usually mid-late teens).

Hebephilia and ephebophilia are not formally defined as specific clinical disorders, but if the focus of the sexual preference leads to problematic behaviour and/or emotional distress, and if these problems are persistent (more than 6 months), they would likely meet ICD-10 criteria for disorders of sexual preference. This would need to be assessed by a professional.

Not a child under English law for the purposes of consensual sex.

This thread or the crimes committed has nothing to do with Roma families

Of course not Petera. She was above the age of consent here as I’m sure you know. I just commented that he’s not a paedophile, a description often used.

Shame they don’t apply this to all the children of various immigrants in this country. Roma marry very young 13-14. I lived next door to one such couple and other ethnicities in this country regularly ‘marry’ and give birth below 16 never mind 18!

Legislation varies with regard to age of consent even in the UK. So for example if someone is 17 and you film sexual activity you will go to jail.

Is procurement of under 18s from other countries for prostitution legal in the UK?

Smileless2012

No, if it happened she was 17 wasn't she? The age of consent in the UK is 16.

From NSPCC:

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) defines a child as everyone under 18 unless, "under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier". In England a child is defined as anyone who has not yet reached their 18th birthday.

So if it had happened in England he would be a paedophile? Absolutely not. In UK law the age of consent is 16 so it was legal. Even if it wasn’t it doesn’t make him a paedophile. A paedophile is attracted to young children. I’m not defending his alleged behaviour just the media’s habit of misusing the term paedophile.

No, if it happened she was 17 wasn't she? The age of consent in the UK is 16.

Smileless2012

I agree Germanshepherdsmum a paedophile is attracted to children.

So if it had happened in England he would be a paedophile?

There are other 'definitions' for being attracted to pubescent individuals. Lets not pretend any of this is just normal behaviour. Someone married in their 40s having sex with random teenagers at parties can't just be run of the mill, ok behaviour by most people's stretch of the imagination

I agree Germanshepherdsmum a paedophile is attracted to children.

I understand that the girl was under age under the law in some US states (not NY for instance) but to call him a paedophile is ridiculous.

The whole thing makes me laugh!
She was 17 when they supposedly had sex in England, so she was of age!
She said it's not about the money, yet SHE received around £12mill and her charity (whatever that is) ONLY £2mill.
Unless there's been an update.
Surely the charity should have received it all, if it wasn't about the money!
He's creepy as hell, anyway, imho!
He should be demoted and forgotten about!!!

As Beswitched has said, he was a man in his 40s with two young daughters.

Whatever the truth of the claim by VG - shame on him for hanging around with a man with a known reputation.

Epstein used young women - like Andrew's own daughters - as playthings for wealthy businessmen. He should be utterly ashamed of himself.