To think this is odd in view of what’s already been said

Yes I agree too VS.

I agree it's a bit of a stretch Kalu so why did you mention rape in your earlier post.

"I have read/heard of many women in the UK who decide not to report being raped for fear of not being believed. PA however, has a reputation which earned him the name Andy Randy which speaks volumes".

So what did you intend to say or imply?

I agree VioletSky

I thought we'd gone past that.

Oh please don't start victim blaming underage girls again.

Adults are at fault here.

It is so horribly off putting to read

I still don't think he did have sex with her. I suspect she was told that a 'British prince' might be at a party but would probably not be able to tell one middle aged man from another.
He must deeply regret his association with Epstein and want to get this all over asap. He's robustly defended himself and even offered to appear in court in America which was a grave risk. I don't think he's the brightest and certainly miscalculated by giving that TV interview which he hoped would end all the speculation.
My personal opinion is that she's an opportunistic besom and that her parents knew fine well what was going on. She's not a poor wee thing and was absolutely beaming in that photo which has mysteriously disappeared.

I agree Iam64

I also wish it was 18 here.

Smileless2012

Being randy doesn't make you a rapist Kalu.

Having sex with an under-age girl in the States is statutory rape.

Counting out £12m in fivers is going to make him sweat. Oh, hang on a minute..............

Smileless2012

Being randy doesn't make you a rapist Kalu.

Where did I say or imply PA was a rapist!? Good grief, that was a bit of a stretch.

I think we are going to see serious changes when the Queen dies. Charles has always said he will slim 'The Firm' down, so I suspect this business will lend more power to this plan. I have no issue with the Queen, but even before this disgusting debacle, I wouldn't have walked to the Coop to see Andrew. Andrew and ex are living in Royal Lodge in Windsor for a peppercorn rent, perhaps they will have to cut their coat to suit their cloth and move to a considerably smaller property and with less no staff, neither of them are working as far as I can see so they can cut their own grass and polish their own silver. I have this image of Kate talking to William 'Do we have to have your creepy Uncle Andrew over to dinner?'

Could be. I expect HM and Charles are having to bail them out from their personal money. He’s only 62 and unemployable, don’t know what she does, and I expect they will consider themselves entitled to carry on with their expensive lifestyles. Could live for another 40 years.

I know he is a member of a very rich family, but just how does Andrew, and the profligate ex wife of his, afford the lifestyle they have? As i understand it, his only real income is £260,000 from the Queen and £20,000 RN pension. Yes, I know it is a lot of money to most people, but in income terms, it does not support their spending. They are reported to both be dreadful with money, in fact Epstein bailed out Andrew's ex wife, Sarah, to the tune of £15,000 I believe. I appreciate there is a lot of money in assets in the family, but to my mind, it is inherited, such as art, property etc., and they are custodians for the next generation. I wonder if this pay out is seen as Andrew getting his 'share' early? Not really apropos of anything, just musing and curious.

I do hope so.

I think the his position changed when an email surfaced from Maxwell to his lawyers stating she thought that photo was real

I’m just waiting for the next one.

She's already had a payout. Wonder if she's going to go after other men too?

I wonder if she agreed to sign a non disclosure order and not to talk about it in future.

In her situation I would settle because even my mother questioned my sexual abuse as a minor child. Having my day in court with little evidence may achieve nothing simply by having someone who was prejudiced against me in the wrong seat. Going up against royalty is hugely risky.

The good she can do with the money is worth it, the people she can help is amazing and the publicity this has gained will make many randy old men rethink their behaviour

Being randy doesn't make you a rapist Kalu.

I am not au fait with US law Smileless but I have read/heard of many women in the UK who decide not to report being raped for fear of not being believed. PA however, has a reputation which earned him the name, Andy Randy which speaks volumes.

So would I Kalu and if I had been miss used in any way especially for sex, 'I would firmly stand my ground to prove the guilt of my abuser'.

A lot would depend on how long you could afford for a case to go on. Would it be a criminal or civil matter?

Too late now to change his mind about his relationship with Epstein. The rot set in deeper when he arrogantly stated he had no regrets having Epstein as a friend which he continued to have when Epstein’s character came to light, I questioned PA’s character and morals too. What was he thinking?

How very fortunate he had the means to throw a huge amount of money to make this nasty business go away!

Were I ever to be falsely accused, I would firmly stand my ground to prove my innocence and clear my name.

Spot on trisher!

Andrew settled because he was told to by Charles and William. They didn’t want the Queen’s jubilee spoilt by this rumbling on forever. There’ll be no problem paying, although it’s said that Andrew doesn’t have significant amounts of money, he’s part of one of the richest families in the world. No doubt the Queen or Prince Charles will ensure the money is paid.
After this debacle and the Harry and Meghan debacle, I think it’s time that we no longer had a royal family. I’ve only come to this conclusion in the last year or so.

If you were offered 12 million to support and care for women who have been abused or trafficked wouldn't you think perhaps it was best to get them more help? And let's not forget the statement PA made acknowledging VG was a victim and had been subjected to public abuse, rejecting Epstein and pledging support for abused women. That statement would have been part of the settlement. Who knows he may start a charity to support women, his daughters could run it.