To think this is grooming in plain sight

I had to laugh there! Your sense of humour is undimmed MissA!?

Anything that stops child abusers getting away with it, as they do all too often because they rely on the child's shame, is fine by me.

I really cant see how this show would have helped stop child abusers. In fact I can envision someone so inclined singing the song above that Chewbacca posted with some confused/worried/scared 5 year old, whilst indulging themselves and their desires on said 5 year old!1

Dear me! Glad it has been cancelled

Sorry, but anyone encouraging small children to participate with adults in songs with actions like that must be into paedophilia.

Marvin Rees needs to stop fence-sitting and put a stop to this.
His predecessor has lost any sense of right and wrong.

Children are encouraged to tell an adult if they are spoken to, or touched, or invited to look at anything that makes them uncomfortable.

Who would they turn to, then, after viewing this show with their family?

They've massively altered their website since the beginning of this week but it still confirms:

Anybody of any age can watch this. It’s so accessible!

If some of your pleasures are sexual, are there any sexual practices you might like to try?

From the glossary: Abortion, anti capitalist, artificial insemination, bdsm, bisexuality, cum or ejaculate, dildo, dyke, frottage pretty much what any ordinary 5 year old might be interested in really.
It worries me that they'll have live workshops in the foyer as you leave Bit of bondage? BDSM perhaps?

Perhaps I should go, I might learn something.
Oh, never mind, there's always Google.

frottage is freely available every rush hour on the london tube; as to consensual, well that's half true.
the frottager consents, the frottagee not, too busy trying to contact british transport police.
maybe this production company could organise a theatrical happening between stations.

I don't care if this "uproar has the powerful whiff of the tabloid press" LadyH.

And I thank God for "populist wannabes stirring up indignation".

Equally, I don't give a shit about the credentials of the theatre hosting this rank production.

What I do care about are children and their absolute right to an innocent, happy childhood safe from vile knowing adults intent on insinuating their twisted views on sex.

If you're so interested in background research LadyH, perhaps try looking up the suicides, drug abuse, alcholism, destroyed families, severe mental health problems of innocent children damaged beyond repair by sexual activity forced on them as children.

IT HAPPENS!

And the more laissez faire a society is about it's protection of children the more it WILL HAPPEN.

Grown people can do whatever they like as long as it's consensual and hurts no-one, it's up to them - kids can say no all they like but it doesn't stop what some perverted horror has in mind for them.

As I said upthread, if I could I would boil in oil these twisted f*cks who think it's ok to lay their filthy hands, minds and ideology onto kids.

They have to be stopped.

LadyH might also find this interesting:

"Have had a bit of a look into the people involved, in an attempt to understand how on earth things arrived at the point where anyone would think The Family Sex Show was a good idea and why obvious concerns about massive safeguarding red flags are being dismissed as moral panic and reported as threats and abuse.
Or indeed why the School Of Sexuality And Education are deemed appropriate providers of RSE in schools when their members are involved with such a production (two of them are medical doctors so should have at least a basic understanding of child safeguarding).

Several members of SOSAE are also members/founders of the Candid Collective which runs 'sex positive' workshops for adults, ie stag/hen dos, involving crafting playdough genitals and making genital fridge magnets and 'gashtrays'.

UCL's 'Foucault-informed' Professor of the Sociology of Gender and Education is an advisor to and collaborator with SOSAE, has co-authored research entitled 'Play-Doh Vulvas and Felt-Tip Dick Pics' with two members of SOSAE about how getting kids in schools to make playdough vulvas can make RSE 'less phallocentric'.

It's worth googling and reading as sheds some light on where some of the Family Sex Show crap came from and is also generally rather troubling.

What is of concern is that this professor has also been an advisor to the Home Office on the sexualisation of young people, and carried out research for the NSPCC and CEOP regarding sexting in schools (she is against a ban, and against banning access to porn for under 18s). Surely it would be more appropriate for senior experienced professionals in areas directly related to child protection, child health and education to help shape government guidance on sex education in schools, than sociology academics focused on social activism, queer theory and gender ideology?"

LadyHonoriaDedlock, whilst I can see that children shouldn't be ashamed to talk about sex, touch themselves along with all the things that will assist them to be aware of their bodies, the emotions that may accompany it and an absolute right to believe they are in control of who can touch them, surely there have to be age appropriate boundaries whilst educating. It doesn't take a lot of research to know that this is absolutely not a show for young children.
Why would they need to know and squirting, fisting, frottaging, etc at such a young age? If a child needs these sorts of things explaining, surely we need to be looking at safeguarding that child as it is getting inappropriate information for their age.
I am all for educating children about their bodies, exploring their feelings and discussing (at their level) gender issues but blowing their tiny minds with inappropriate stuff is just out of order. Lots of kids go "Urgh," when you tell them about the biology of making a baby, can you imagine how they'll feel if you tell them about someone shoving a fist up their tiny backsides? The mind just boggles.

Excellent post there icanhandthemback; it rather frightens me that protagonists of this "production" walk amongst us.

It sounds as though this "show" is turning sex into a cross between a school lesson for children, where adults (strangers) instruct and demonstrate "things they should know", and a source of fun with adults (strangers) who sing jolly songs, with interactive rhythmic movements.

Leaving aside for a moment whether a young child does need to know the names and operational details of all the variations and perversions that inventive humans apply to each other or themselves, children of 5 are just starting to learn that teacher is always right (try telling a child that you know better than teacher . . ) When teacher gives them information, they are supposed to listen. When teacher wants them to do something, they do it. When teacher leads the singing, they join in. Bolshie 4-year-olds are moulded into co-operative 6 or 8 or 10 year olds

How will he/she react if in the coming months, some friendly acquaintance with less exalted motives talks to them one-to-one about one of those activities? If they illustrate their information with a demonstration? If they start a sing-song?

Children love doing the actions to songs. "One finger, one thumb", "Head shoulders knees and toes" "The wheels on the bus" and now, "Touch it, touch it!"

Will they recognise that they are being drawn into abuse, or will they join in the fun?

They’ll join in Elegran. I know someone who was regularly taken to another European country to ‘play doctors and nurses’. She was 5-8 years old, filmed in a nurse’s outfit doing various things, including measuring the penis of her abuser.
How anyone with common sense, never mind expertise in safeguarding could see this show as anything other than grooming children to behave sexually with adults is beyond me

Hope they never bring this show to Australia. Just how low can they get ? No doubt all the local paeds would go to it, sickening.

An interesting development.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555623-the-family-sex-show-police-investigation

Thanks suedonim

There are many youtubers who have reviewed the whole of the website, and show recommendations, clicking and following the links given, and reading out the ethos of the show. (Squirting, pegging, and lots of other delightful terms for 5+ children)

The mumsnet user may be able to find more info by looking on there.

youtu.be/q9mF8DHwU8U

I have no idea what those terms mean and I have no wish to know, MissAdventure. I’m pretty sure they won’t add anything to the life of the average 5yo, tho.

SueDonim
Thank you for linking to that.

Well done to that Mumsnet OP and the other Mumsnetters.

Thank you SueDonim and MissAdventure for the updates.
What entitlement these people have!

I realise we have to protect our children, but I really don’t see how this is in any way doing that. A five year old goes to the theatre with mum and dad, and sees naked people talking about sex in an explicit way. His perception is that it’s OK and safe because mum and dad are there, so it must be ok. Can someone please explain to me how that child can then equate that to ‘stranger danger’ and distinguish safe adults from those who are intent on doing harm ?

Spot on!