To think this is grooming in plain sight

To be fair, the mail is using the the mumsnet thread to illustrate that people (not just old farts) feel it's totally inappropriate.

I was very glad they cancelled the rainbow monkey for example.
I dont particularly want it cancelled I am asking questions about it.

Many of the papers and tv comment shows trawl MN for stories. I would be great at that part of the job, actually producing a story maybe not so much.

It seems fair enough to me..
It keeps their finger on the pulse of how young families feel.
Otherwise one might imagine that they were all on board with the idea.

Sadly I have known ' innocent ' children, as will others on here, who have accepted awful abuse from those supposed to be the ones caring for them because it was their daily norm.

To be fair their "carers" would never have taken them to a show of any sort...

Zoejory

Now the DM has got their teeth into it the outrage is through the roof.

I think the DM's continued popularity is based almost exclusively on generating outrage!

Even though I'm wary about the validity of this 'show', I'd never seriously consider the DM's 'findings' as a basis for forming any conclusions - nor the comments from its (outraged) readership.

In all seriousness, I don't think outrage is the right response to this issue, this show. They do have a genuine point to make, I'm just not sure they're doing it the best way...

It wasn't that way for a lot of Savile's victims.
That was partially why they were chosen.
I think anyone can fall victim to an abuser, precisely be cause abusers are so adept at manipulating people/children or whoever.

I think it's a,slippery slope to start categorizing 'typical' victims.

Anyone can fall victim to a devious abuser.....but I was challenging the rosy view of 'innocent childhood' & that for far too many the awful things they experience on a regular basis, in the family home, is accepted because they know no different.

MissAdventure

I don't think you're doing anything groundbreaking with your grandson, Gaga.
It sounds very much the same as most parents, I'm sure.

We aren't all covering the piano legs and swooning away with smelling salts at a whisper of the word sex.

I think most parents take that sensible approach, Gagajo.
It's just another body part.

However, going to a show like this isn't necessary.
I just wonder what the purpose of it is.

Just off to polish the naked piano. I like to show it off.

Do you think singing a song about the clitoris is going to change that it any way?

I'm all for being open about sex in an appropriate way, I just dont see 5 year olds listening to performers talking and singing about their personal experiences is anything other than self indulgent claptrap.

I think a better way to protect children would be to ensure child safeguarding is fit for purpose, to do away with the idea that family need to "keep their beaks out" of their grandchildren lives, when there is genuine concern for their welfare, to ensure that all agencies are communicating with each other, and to give people support, along with setting standards and checking that they are being adhered to.

PECS

Anyone can fall victim to a devious abuser.....but I was challenging the rosy view of 'innocent childhood' & that for far too many the awful things they experience on a regular basis, in the family home, is accepted because they know no different.

You do hear of such awful things happening to children in the home. But I suspect as someone has already said that the people who do that would not be taking them children to a show called a Family sex show.
Or then again, maybe they would.

You do hear of such awful things happening to children in the home. But I suspect as someone has already said that the people who do that would not be taking them children to a show called a Family sex show.
Or then again, maybe they would.

It sounds like the perfect opening for a continuation of the exploration of body parts at home for anyone that way inclined.

I think you’re right there Callistemon. Doesn’t bear thinking about.

It's opening a window of opportunity for a few - is that the intention?

The company doing this has won quite a few awards for its productions, so its authenticity and commitment isn't really questionable. There are a few photos and some audience comments on their website- here thefamilysexshow.com/tfss
It all looks pretty harmless really and there's the old classic of a couple in a bag!

PECS

What a shame if the show is abandoned! Nobody has to go if they feel it us not right for them.

Bloody DM & their cancel culture!

I hope it is cancelled.

I’d bet all the money I have that when these people take their clothes off there will be a be-penised person standing there butt naked saying “I am a woman”

You can guarantee this will happen. Way to confused children even more.

Love the poster who said, if it's all so innocent maybe William and Kate should take their 3 children to see it.
Or Granny could take them.

Mollygo

PECS

Anyone can fall victim to a devious abuser.....but I was challenging the rosy view of 'innocent childhood' & that for far too many the awful things they experience on a regular basis, in the family home, is accepted because they know no different.

You do hear of such awful things happening to children in the home. But I suspect as someone has already said that the people who do that would not be taking them children to a show called a Family sex show.
Or then again, maybe they would.

I can only think you have no idea of children who are abused. My child was raped by her older half brother who was a child himself but had been abused by a step-parent. She was 4. Someone very close to me is currently doing time for an appalling abuse on their grandchild who was 6 when it started. I'd name and shame but the court said we mustn't! In both cases, neither child had liked what had happened to them (that's a serious understatement), both of them suffered for a long time keeping it to themselves and only told their parents when they saw something on tv that reminded them of what happened to them. Before that, they didn't have the words.
In both cases it was something that happened within what the parents thought was a loving, familial relationship and in both cases it has wreaked havoc on all of the lives of those involved with ripples reaching out much wider. If there is a way to educate our children so they can verbalise what has happened to them earlier so possibly stopping systematic abuse, and I am not for one minute saying that this stage production is it, then we should grab it with both hands. Being unashamed about nudity and learning about the proper names for body parts, etc is a fundamental part of armouring a child. Sitting in a court room listening to a child talking about someone touching their "woo-woo" or "sitdownupon" leaves doubt about where a child was touched and puts the child through more stress explaining exactly where they mean.
I just think that before we clutch our pearls with horror, the content should be properly reviewed to see just how explicit and damaging it is. I am the last person who wants to see children exploited, groomed, etc but abuse of children is much more rife than you would think so any tool in our arsenal to protect them is a must.

Icanhandthemback, I’m fortunate? Enough to have only had to report a few cases of suspected abuse, amongs the children I have been teaching all this time, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s a lot more prevalent than those few cases.
Even if this show would be of benefit to children, I doubt it’s the children who really need to have more information who would be taken to see it.
Having said that, the title Family Sex Show sounds like justification heaven to some abusers, though they might be disappointed with the content.

Mollygo, that may be (I have also had that dreadful experience) but your comment on the end of your post made me think that you thought the type of people who would take the children to the show would not be abusers or would only be certain types of families. Sadly, I don't think that is necessarily true. I remain absolutely amazed that the person who is doing time was guilty of such atrocities. Everybody upon his arrest was so surprised because of the type of person he appeared to be. If I was clumsy in my wording, I apologise. I can't help getting hot under the collar about this sort of thing.

snowberryZ

^I’d bet all the money I have that when these people take their clothes off there will be a be-penised person standing there butt naked saying “I am a woman”^

You can guarantee this will happen. Way to confused children even more.

Ah, so that's what this thread is really about.

snowberryZ

^I’d bet all the money I have that when these people take their clothes off there will be a be-penised person standing there butt naked saying “I am a woman”^

You can guarantee this will happen. Way to confused children even more.

Why should it confuse children any more than a man with a penis or a women without. Like it or not, these variations are here to stay and children will accept this without question which should lead to less antagonism to those who are living a perfectly normal life but could have been in the wrong body at birth. Personally I think that this should lead to a more harmonious word which I am all for. It might also allow people of any age who feel this way to be able to open up about it which will lead to them feeling less isolated. Done in the right way (and I truly don't know whether this show will be done like that) then it is a good idea.

Hate to break it to you but a person with a penis is not a woman.
That is a fact.
I for one don't believe we should be feeding children a load of lies