To think this is grooming in plain sight

Also agree with Dickens.

snowberryZ

Hate to break it to you but a person with a penis is not a woman.
That is a fact.
I for one don't believe we should be feeding children a load of lies

Totally agree, except the gender police will be down on you like a ton of pricks!

A man with a penis is not a woman, but can be called a woman since 2004. Still doesn’t make him female.

This might get certain posters in a froth

This guys brilliant. Oops sorry. Should say Woman

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgjc29QCGo

snowberryZ

This might get certain posters in a froth

This guys brilliant. Oops sorry. Should say Woman

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgjc29QCGo

That was excellent! Thanks snowberryZ.
He certainly says it like it is. It’s the best send up of a failed male who’s swapped in order to cheat, and an increasing number of them are doing it for similar reasons.
He sounds so reasonable. I wonder if some posters actually believe him and base their support on that.
The only thing he didn’t mention is the damage he’s doing to trans existence, as well as to women.
But hey ho, that’s TW for you.

Why do we always talk of people being born with the wrong body for their mind and never the wrong mind for their body?

An excellent question M0nica and one that I've wondered about myself.

snowberryZ

Hate to break it to you but a person with a penis is not a woman.
That is a fact.
I for one don't believe we should be feeding children a load of lies

???

Obsessed

Nah.
Not me.

M0nica

Why do we always talk of people being born with the wrong body for their mind and never the wrong mind for their body?

Now there's a thought

snowberryZ

M0nica
Why do we always talk of people being born with the wrong body for their mind and never the wrong mind for their body?
Now there's a thought
An idea for a new thread?

Fred and Rosemary West had sex in front of their children.

snowberryZ

Hate to break it to you but a person with a penis is not a woman.
That is a fact.
I for one don't believe we should be feeding children a load of lies

Without entering a gender debate, the fact is that there are a significant number of people who do not fit the man with a penis and woman without a penis model. That is not a lie. You may not agree with their existence but surely, as a empathetic human being, you would want to see these people ridiculed, hurt or ostracised, would you? In order for these people to live safe and happier lives we need to educate and empathy starts early in life.
As for being in the right body v the mind being wrong for the body, does it matter? The result is the same but it is more difficult to change the mind as reconstruction hasn't been possible yet. The mind is only a product of the chemicals that it receives but we haven't yet managed to find a sophisticated way of dosing it to keep the hormones regulated to make people reliably feel comfortable in their own skin.

Icanhandthemback, your argument keeps on coming up on GN again and again.

You may not agree with their existence but surely, as a empathetic human being, you would want to see these people ridiculed, hurt or ostracised, would you?

I haven’t read any poster on here who wishes harm to those people you describe, who live in their chosen form, desiring no hurt or harm to others, but simply to get on with their lives.

As an empathetic human being, do you want to see females ridiculed, hurt or ostracised?

Unfortunately, some of the people who decide they are transwomen, or a woman with a penis, and allowed by law since 2004 to call themselves that, have by their actions proved to be definitely not empathetic human beings.
They have every intention of hurting or damaging females AND at the same time making life more difficult, by association, for those trans who desire no such thing

However, your next paragraph really concerns me.

The mind is only a product of the chemicals that it receives but we haven't yet managed to find a sophisticated way of dosing it to keep the hormones regulated to make people reliably feel comfortable in their own skin.

It may not be what you meant to say, but

Are you suggesting that trans should be drugged to stop them being or wanting to be trans?

GagaJo

snowberryZ

GagaJo

What is the content that is offensive?

The cast are talking about sex to very young children.
At one point the cast get naked in front of those children
Being naked in front of children whilst discussing sex = not OK.

No younger than 5. 5 year olds should know the very basic facts of life (not detailed of course). My DGS knows about seeds, eggs, penis in vagina, baby in tummy, mummies and daddies and love.

Do they actually take EVERYTHING off?

But does your five year old really need to know about masturbation, touching, trans issues, gender bending and the myriad other topics listed in the literature for the show ? At one point in the podcast they sing an ode to the clitoris !!

I contributed in the original thread on MN and researched the content. I came to the conclusion that these people have an agenda connected with normalising sexual grooming of minors, and in plain sight. In what sane world is it acceptable for strangers to take their clothes off and discuss sex in this way in front of a five year old ? We warn children about inappropriate behaviour from adults. We tell them to report such behaviour to an adult they can trust. The message a five year old taken by his parents to watch people taking off their clothes and discussing sex, will be that it’s somehow OK - after all mum and dad are there, so it must be. So when, god forbid, he encounters someone with intentions that are not OK, how is he supposed to know the difference ? Who is the trusted adult ? It’s a paedophile’s dream and every parents’ worst nightmare.

Mollygo
I haven’t read any poster on here who wishes harm to those people you describe, who live in their chosen form, desiring no hurt or harm to others, but simply to get on with their lives.

In no way did I imply that anybody on this forum would do that. I was referring to my last post that was talking about children learning empathy and accepting that people are different.

Unfortunately, some of the people who decide they are transwomen, or a woman with a penis, and allowed by law since 2004 to call themselves that, have by their actions proved to be definitely not empathetic human beings.
They have every intention of hurting or damaging females AND at the same time making life more difficult, by association, for those trans who desire no such thing

That may be true but that doesn't mean we should be less empathetic or accepting to the many trans people who have no desire to damage or hurt people who are born as females. Incidentally, I happen to think that safe spaces should be available for women particularly when they are at risk from harm like those needing a refuge.

Are you suggesting that trans should be drugged to stop them being or wanting to be trans?

Absolutely not. I was responding to a comment about it being the wrong mind rather than the wrong body. However, that option might be preferable than the upheaval for somebody who has lived a life burying their feelings about their body and gone on to have married and had kids or somebody who hates their body but doesn't want painful surgery. Unfortunately, we can't even help women suffering from extreme PMT with hormone therapy so I don't ever see that being an option anytime soon. You'll notice I use the word "option" because any treatment should be at the choice of the person suffering.

Pammie1
But does your five year old really need to know about masturbation, touching, trans issues, gender bending and the myriad other topics listed in the literature for the show ? At one point in the podcast they sing an ode to the clitoris !!

I contributed in the original thread on MN and researched the content. I came to the conclusion that these people have an agenda connected with normalising sexual grooming of minors, and in plain sight. In what sane world is it acceptable for strangers to take their clothes off and discuss sex in this way in front of a five year old ?
In what sane world indeed!
We warn children about inappropriate behaviour from adults. We tell them to report such behaviour to an adult they can trust. The message a five year old taken by his parents to watch people taking off their clothes and discussing sex, will be that it’s somehow OK - after all mum and dad are there, so it must be. So when, god forbid, he encounters someone with intentions that are not OK, how is he supposed to know the difference? Who is the trusted adult ? It’s a paedophile’s dream and every parents’ worst nightmare.
Thanks for your post Pammie1

There’s something really nasty going on under the blanket of “benefiting or educating the children”.
If an attempt was made to show this in a school, even with parents present, there would be a justifiable outcry and the school would be heavily censured in the media.
If the show was promoted by Keir Starmer or Boris Johnson or another man as old as they are, would people still think it suitable?

It really is reminiscent of the grooming in plain site by Saville and other men in ‘light entertainment’. It’s also unpleasantly like the PIE which sought to sexualise children by normalising behaviour most of us recognise as grooming

I worked in a Child Protection department for a number of years, and this wouldn't be anything I'd have taken my children or grandchildren to.

It seem dubious, at best.

I remember the paedophile information exchange too Iam. They were trying to be seen as respectable mainstream as I recall. This sounds to me much the same.
There was a short report about this in the Telegraph yesterday. Horrible!

The fact is, none of us know the content of this production.

However, this is just another trans hate thread masquerading as a different topic. Yawn

Think we know enough to make a judgement and from my point of view it is nothing to do with trans anything.

We warn children about inappropriate behaviour from adults. We tell them to report such behaviour to an adult they can trust. The message a five year old taken by his parents to watch people taking off their clothes and discussing sex, will be that it’s somehow OK - after all mum and dad are there, so it must be. So when, god forbid, he encounters someone with intentions that are not OK, how is he supposed to know the difference

This is what concerns me.

DiamondLily

I worked in a Child Protection department for a number of years, and this wouldn't be anything I'd have taken my children or grandchildren to.

It seem dubious, at best.

That is a sobering thought.

However, this is just another trans hate thread masquerading as a different topic. Yawn

So the legitimate concerns that thousands of parents, grandparents and guardians have expressed about this "production" can just be swept aside and dismissed as trans hate or transphobia can it? How arrogant is that.

Bog all to do with trans issues.