to feel sad that the Queen looks so frail.

I'm sorry to hear you've had Covid, I hope you are feeling OK.

The job of being Queen. Which is so mysterious nobody is willing to tell me what that is. Heigh ho.

The job of being Queen and all that goes with it, whether you think it's important or not.

Anyhow, going to bed. Just had Covid and still get tired.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Perhaps it’s best to have some knowledge & understanding of a topic.

Not so much an echo , more a shared concern.

Vintagejazz

Well you think she was just being there, I think she had an awful job thrust on her, accepted it with dignity and grace and did her best to keep the country stable at huge personal expense.

What job? What? Seriously, what?

Now I am ranting...

Is there an echo in here?

Well you think she was just being there, I think she had an awful job thrust on her, accepted it with dignity and grace and did her best to keep the country stable at huge personal expense.

You don’t appear to have much knowledge about this topic, so a bit limiting for you.

Bridgeit

Are you ok Volver??

From my viewpoint Volver*is absolutely Ok - ?*

No seriously Vintagejazz. We're told we are blessed, she's done her duty, all that.

I'm afraid I don't think anyone deserves devotion for just being there, no matter how long they hang on. I admire people who achieve something. And nobody, nobody at all, has told me what she has achieved. I expect people are shocked, but while I appreciate that she has done nothing to upset any applecarts, I really struggle to understand what she has achieved.

Not expecting an answer. Hopeful though.

I’m glad it’s not just me snowberryZ

Bridgeit

Are you ok Volver??

Yes am wondering the same.

No I'm not. I just find your posts a bit bizarre. As I said I'm no monarchist but the x Queen did not choose her role, did what was required of her with good grace and cannot be compared to two Presidents who stood for election to the role.

Being critical of the principle of a monarchy and being critical of the person who gave her life selflessly to fulfil that role when it was thrust on her are two different things.

Well done.

Yes. I know.

I’m Not asking out of concern .

Are you ok Volver??

And you're missing the point.

You're comparing the Queen with Boris

So seriously, what are the duties that she has faithfully performed for the past 70 years for which we are to be so grateful?

And I'm afraid "she gave of her best" reminds me a little bit of "leave Boris alone, he's doing his best!"

They voluntarily went for the post of President and, in Mary Robinsons case served six and a half years and in Mary Mc Aleeses case fourteen years with a clear agenda that they wanted to achieve during that time. Very admirable but totally their own choice and for as short a time as they wished.

The Queen was forced into the role, and discharged her duties with dignity and Grace

That doesn't mean a monarchy is appropriate in this day and age but, given what was expected of her, she gave of her best.

Vintagejazz

volver

What have Mary Robinson or Mary McAleese done that betters Queen Elizabeth's lifetime of service?

Mary Robinson: theelders.org/profile/mary-robinson

Mary McAleese: www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-exemplary-presidency-1.9728

re McAleese: These efforts culminated, of course, with the moving visit of Queen Elizabeth to Ireland, an occasion made much more comfortable for most Irish people by the way Mrs McAleese herself showed, in her manner and deportment, that an elected head of state can match a monarch in dignity and gravitas.

Both links worth reading.

Yes I know what they've done. But how does it better the Queen?

Because, me personally, I would have thought that their achievements were down to them being active in the pursuit of their aims and objectives, rather than being alive for a long time and not complaining.

And since nobody seems to be able to ante up any actual achievements of Queen Elizabeth II, other than that, I am not dissuaded from my point of view.

Clearly you have little or no knowledge about this topic.

Generally, I don't ask questions about things I already have knowledge about. Isn't that how it works?

Because I would like to know. Perhaps there might be some kind and charitable soul who might wish to enlighten me. Or, you know, back up their undying devotion to the lady in question by explaining what she has done for us.

Because I'm afraid the "we're not going to say because you won't appreciate it anyway" approach is a bit silly, isn't it?

Or perhaps the appreciation just has to be faith based; don't ask questions, just believe.

volver

^What have Mary Robinson or Mary McAleese done that betters Queen Elizabeth's lifetime of service?^

Mary Robinson: theelders.org/profile/mary-robinson

Mary McAleese: www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-exemplary-presidency-1.9728

re McAleese: These efforts culminated, of course, with the moving visit of Queen Elizabeth to Ireland, an occasion made much more comfortable for most Irish people by the way Mrs McAleese herself showed, in her manner and deportment, that an elected head of state can match a monarch in dignity and gravitas.

Both links worth reading.

Yes I know what they've done. But how does it better the Queen?

Volver, You have asked - What has she done for us-? Clearly you have little or no knowledge about this topic. I wonder why you are bothering to engage with it .