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Tutumuch Mon 11-Jul-22 11:55:57

I live in the same town as my widowed 91 year old mother. I have an older sister who lives 60 miles away. My father who was an alcoholic died 7 years ago. My mother is a difficult woman, who over the years has fallen out with everyone who she has crossed paths with, she writes spiteful notes to her neighbours and has no friends or social life . She is very lonely. My mother lives in squalor, her house is filthy and she refuses to throw anything away, the smell in her kitchen in the heat is horrific. I have had a difficult relationship with her, but she idolises my sister who visits approximately once every 6 weeks. She is reluctant to let me into the house to help unless things have reached crisis point, however she rings me daily and expects to be ‘taken out’ 3/4 times a week, to see great grandchildren/shopping / garden centre etc. I have tried to get social services to help, but the line that agencies take is, she has capacity and therefore can’t intervene. Whilst not wealthy she could afford to pay for a cleaner/have the house repaired but thinks that either myself or my husband should do this. My sister refuses to go into the house, but also will not say anything or do anymore than she does. I feel so guilty if I don’t go and see my mother but quite honestly I have had enough, and am at the end of my tether with it all, Do gransnetters have any suggestions?

Daisend1 Wed 13-Jul-22 13:46:14

Your mother needs help and you should not have to deal with the pressures of this on your own
If in the UK get in touch with Age Concernwhose telephone number with be in your phone directory.


ersons living in the UK concerned with the welfare of an elderly person should contact Age Concern.
The number can be found in the telephone directory.

Lorelei Wed 13-Jul-22 13:35:02

Tutumuch, I wish you lots of luck in sticking to a scaled down visiting schedule with your mother and agree with the majority of posters that you should not feel guilty that your mother has, intentionally, alienated everyone and chosen to live in squalor. At 91 it is unlikely your mother will change or ever show any appreciation, respect etc for you or anybody else.

I can't help but wonder if the house is filthy does she take more care of herself e.g. personal care/hygiene and laundry? If she was a reflection of her home then I'd be very reluctant to share a car or any confined space let alone go out somewhere like a cafe for lunch. Maybe she does look after herself but not her home! It is not your responsibility to pander to her daily whims - she has choices, you have given her options - step back and take a bit of time for yourself.

Yammy Wed 13-Jul-22 13:25:33

Report her to the social services. Surely she has not got capacity if she lets herself live in an unsanitary condition. You could also tell them that you are not responsible if she has an accident or food poisoning or starves herself. You could even get a solicitor to write a letter on your behalf stating what her problems are and that you are removing yourself as the primary carer.
You need to remove the guilt from yourself and pass it to someone else.

Purplepixie Wed 13-Jul-22 13:15:37

Change your phone and move house! No seriously, you need to have a discussion with your mam. Tell her that you are cutting back your visits until she agrees to have her house cleaned and she is looked after by professionals. If she has the money then ask her to consider paying for the help. You cannot go on wasting your life like this. Be kind to yourself and ask yourself just how much longer you can go on without taking ill yourself. We all have to be cruel to be kind and on this occasion just grit your teeth and tell her how it is. Take care and please let us know how you get on. Sending love and hugs.

Nan0 Wed 13-Jul-22 13:13:19

Great suggestion!

Hithere Wed 13-Jul-22 13:02:51

Nanasam
Kids dont ask to be born
Kids dont sign a contract to take care of parents in return

Keekaboo Wed 13-Jul-22 13:00:13

Please say no! I suffered from a great deal of stress looking after my mother and father. I was doing everything they wanted but it was never enough. My sister was also the golden child but it was always me who had to run them here and there because I had a car.
Until that is I had to go to the doctor because I felt ill.
He gave me a complete check up and told me he thought it was stress related. I told him what had been happening for a few years and he understood. He told me to start saying no! And to put myself and my own family who lived in my own house first.

I did and I never looked back. It took everyone by surprise and they didn’t like it at first but soon got used to the new me.

My mother and father started to do more for themselves and my sister then knew she would have to step up and help too.
I did feel guilty to begin with but that feeling went quite quickly when I began to feel better having taken back control and saying no …not today maybe tomorrow.

So think about yourself and your own health Tutumuch
Because you matter!

And have that holiday …at least a holiday from your mum..even if it’s sitting in your own garden …please !

SparklyGrandma Wed 13-Jul-22 12:48:53

I would mention a cleaner every time you see her. Find an agency locally to suggest.

Has she been more independent, OP? You could mention that once she’s got someone cleaning every week, she will feel happier because it will be reliable.

If necessary you could say that without a cleaner home she might end up being considered to go into care.

Another angle could be, you take her out for the day, and you pay for a deep clean whilst you are out. It would open her eyes to how more comfy her home will be if she keeps it like that.

Good luck.

nanasam Wed 13-Jul-22 12:46:54

I am saddened by some of the comments here. As far as I was concerned, my mum looked after me for the first 16 years of my life so I was happy to look after her in her latter years. She was 96 when she died and it was the day she was due to move in with me permanently. Yes, she could be cantankerous and very awkward but she was my mum and I knew she wouldn't last forever. I would have felt more guilty about not helping her than staying distant and pleasing myself.

Lostmyglassesxx Wed 13-Jul-22 12:40:29

When you have dementia it manifests itself in early stages as lack of home hygiene and personal care - so it’s possible - also all rationale seems to disappear and emotions and personality traits that were there before are exacerbated a this age .
I would say that if you can have a rational chat you should tell her she either gets a cleaner which you will arrange - because she clearly can’t manage herself - the next thing is something happens form a safety perspective . Or she needs to be somewhere else where this is all done for her- or she could pay for carers to come on and take her out etc
My sister did the minimum and I did the maximum for my mum - we are what we are - my sister showed no guilt and I felt guilty even though I went above and beyond
Your mum needs to just hear the words no sorry I can’t and to hear the options
But you can rest assured you’ve done your very best for her regardless - and should feel no guilt .

Shandy57 Wed 13-Jul-22 12:27:06

I am glad you have made a decision Tutumuch, best of luck. Do you have LPOA?

I'm pleased to say my 85 year old aunt is going to look at the assisted living place near her today. A friend of hers lives there, and has invited her for supper. My aunt is still able to clean/cook etc, but I've now found out how much she relies on her good neighbour, who has been absent for some time due to caring for her own parents. I've had to do a few things for her long distance recently, and keep asking her to activate her LPOA for health, which I share with her good neighbour. She wouldn't move here, and I won't move there, but I'd feel happier if she was in the assisted living environment.

Nan0 Wed 13-Jul-22 12:21:47

Arrange to take her out all day and have a big team to go in and clean and dispose of rubbish, whilst she is out with you..

red1 Wed 13-Jul-22 12:19:11

all to common a story sadly.i had impossible parents who somehow 'got into my head' and got undivided royalty' why do good parents not receive the same loyalty? my parents died in 2015 aged 93 and 90. i spent all my life trying to please them, with hindsight i should have walked away from them when i was 18.i wasted too many years . i hope you can come to some sort of resolution with your situation.

Gingerbit Wed 13-Jul-22 12:18:48

Does your mother keep herself clean? and cook okay ? Have things got worse since her husband died or has the house always been like this

hilz Wed 13-Jul-22 12:16:44

Clearly your Mum has had a difficult life and her expectations of you are high. She may well feel overwhelmed and uses your excursions to avoid facing the trauma and mahem within her home/ life.
Its really difficult but yes you can talk to her about it just dont 'hear' her venom. Perhaps start with how concerned you are about the dangers within the home. Tell her each time she gets you to call in you WILL be taking a binliner of rubbish from the kitchen. No argument. Eventually she may get to enjoy her home again. Its hard to let people live with some of the choices they make and we none of us enjoy criticism, all you can do is try and be there for her but in a way that is good for both of you. Look after yourself. X

Tanjamaltija Wed 13-Jul-22 12:01:28

Do not feel guilty - that is what she wants, to guilt you into taking her out and cleaning for her and so forth. Your sister is her idol... she is the one who should be doing what you do, and then some. She is an adult, she has the money, she knows what she's doing - so... make yourself scarce and unavailable, and see what happens. Make your own rules and set your own boundaries. She is using you.

Stella14 Wed 13-Jul-22 11:58:16

You don’t have to do this. Step back, tell her you will take her out once a fortnight. Ignore her protests. If she is rude to you, tell her you won’t take her at all unless she treats you with respect.

Buffy Wed 13-Jul-22 11:56:15

No wonder she wants to go out if she lives in such a mess. It shouldn’t be your job to clean it all up. If you can, do this just once or at least make sure bathroom and kitchen are ok. Then phone social services or her local Council and get them to inspect. Maybe they’ll do something. I think there are many more people than we realise who are living like this.
I wouldn’t want to take her out if she’s not clean or her clothes are dirty. Poor you. MOVE so that you have an excuse to see her less frequently.

DaisyL Wed 13-Jul-22 11:54:51

One of the problems is that there is no care available - hospitals are bursting at the seams because vulnerable patients can't be discharged unless there is a care package in place so unless your mother is admitted to hospital or is able to pay for care privately there is no help out there. Desperate shortage of carers - we need to be training them as fast as possible and paying them a lot more!

NotSpaghetti Wed 13-Jul-22 11:49:51

Good luck Tutumuch Be strong.
Power to you!
?

GrammyGrammy Wed 13-Jul-22 11:40:56

Move her into a care assisted complex and people can visit her there rather than you take her out at all. Then you can get her place sorted and cleared out and things will be much easier for her and you and all. Don't take no for an answer. If she refuses to cooperate then a care home is her other option. Her choice of course. She must not be left where she is in squalor. Make a change happen.

Patsy70 Wed 13-Jul-22 10:02:46

Good luck Tutumuch, a very wise decision. Enjoy your quality time, without feeling guilty. ?

M0nica Wed 13-Jul-22 09:26:22

Why waste any time on him at all?

Caleo Tue 12-Jul-22 21:05:19

Franbern, thanks for your interesting reply. I can't disagree with your summary of his personality. I'd like to have go at him myself as he is a real challenge. I'd like to speak to him about ordinary courtesy as if he is a five year old . For instance I'd like to say to him at the appropriate time, "What you say now is 'how did the exam go?' "

Obviously he can't take even a broad hint and needs to be told explicitly how to behave as husband, father, and grandfather.

welbeck Tue 12-Jul-22 15:09:12

so why do they go to help.
fool me once, shame on you.
fool me twice, shame on me.