In thinking that it is time that this country separated church and state?

GrannyGravy13

I thought King Charles was going to affirm to uphold all faiths ?

I hope including the 0.7% who follow the Jedi faith.

I've been quite sheltered from Scottish sectarianism, too, as I've lived in the east and north of Scotland where it isn't much of a thing .

Was that also the case for Queen Elizabeth, paddyann?

It’s not peoples faith or the places of worship that are the problem it’s the extremism and extremists.

There is no legislation that can solve stupidity.

Will this cause problems in an Independent Scotland similar to those in Northern Ireland? I’m not making an argument.

paddyann54

*Far North * I think Charles vowed in his accession to uphold the Church of Scotland ....a kick in the teeth for all of us who have worked against the vile sectarian sector in the West of Scotland .Now they can sing their orange songs and shout F the Pope or even spit on priests as had happened in Glasgow recently and these lowlifes have justification.THEIR King only supports protestants !!
You may think thats a joke but I have heard it said in a local pub .If one braindead orangeman is saying it you can bet there are loadsof others saying it ...and believing it too !
Religion MUST be seperated from state ...or Royalty abolished.

Do you know, I had no idea this sectarian intolerance existed in Scotland as well as Ireland. I’m so taken aback I don’t quite now what to say except how ignorant I have been.

I thought King Charles was going to affirm to uphold all faiths ?

FarNorth

You know that the CofE exists only in England?
The CofS has no connection with the monarch.
I don't know about Wales and N Ireland.

The Church in Wales was disestablished on 31st March 1920.
My husband was ordained priest in the Church in Wales.

Far North I think Charles vowed in his accession to uphold the Church of Scotland ....a kick in the teeth for all of us who have worked against the vile sectarian sector in the West of Scotland .Now they can sing their orange songs and shout F the Pope or even spit on priests as had happened in Glasgow recently and these lowlifes have justification.THEIR King only supports protestants !!
You may think thats a joke but I have heard it said in a local pub .If one braindead orangeman is saying it you can bet there are loadsof others saying it ...and believing it too !
Religion MUST be seperated from state ...or Royalty abolished.

Oh read too hastily. I’m not sure about after the funeral. I’ll look it up.🙂

winterwhite

Fully agree with OP. The French seem to have no difficulty with this. The monarch rules by consent of the people, not that of the archbishop of Canterbury standing in for God.

At the queen's funeral I was most dismayed to see the orb and sceptre removed from her coffin and placed on the altar of St George's chapel apparently signifying that her power came from God.

I think it’s symbolism is the other way winterwhite. That after the coronation the monarch hands over their power and authority acknowledging their is a higher power than themselves.

“King of kings”

I agree with what Grantnow has written.

The religious schools, so called, are actually some of the best schools here and their pupils do very, very well. Why discriminate against people who want to send their children to Islamic schools or Jewish schools or Catholic schools or Greek Orthodox or Lutheran or Presbyterian schools. I think that is totally discriminatory and unacceptable.

Fully agree with OP. The French seem to have no difficulty with this. The monarch rules by consent of the people, not that of the archbishop of Canterbury standing in for God.

At the queen's funeral I was most dismayed to see the orb and sceptre removed from her coffin and placed on the altar of St George's chapel apparently signifying that her power came from God.

You know that the CofE exists only in England?
The CofS has no connection with the monarch.
I don't know about Wales and N Ireland.

Of course the CofE should be disestablished. There's no reason why a bunch of bishops should sit in the Lord's or why we should have all the religious flummory around Royal events. More widely, we should get rid of religious schools and the 1944 Act requirement to have religious assembly in schools.

Blossoming

I’ve just been looking at an interesting study being Carried out by the Office of National Statistics (ONS). Statistics are seldom completely up-to-date as the data must be analysed and this takes time. It indicates that Christianity is still the largest group, but there’s no division into C of E, RC, etc.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/exploringreligioninenglandandwales/february2020

I agree that Christianity is probably still the largest group, but I think the growth of evangelical churches accounts for much of it. Add to that many people who say Christian but are not practising Christians and the number of C of E members probably reduces further.

I’ve just been looking at an interesting study being Carried out by the Office of National Statistics (ONS). Statistics are seldom completely up-to-date as the data must be analysed and this takes time. It indicates that Christianity is still the largest group, but there’s no division into C of E, RC, etc.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/exploringreligioninenglandandwales/february2020

Most of the monarchs haven’t been exactly paragons of virtue. Think Henry V111, Charles 11. He is just following a long tradition since the pope was ousted as the head. Elizabeth 11 was unusual. Besides, I think he is actually a true believer and a sinner just like all of the rest of mankind. Only God can judge, not man.

I have some sympathy to this point of view, but since some of the leaders in the CofE have become quite political in recent years, I’m not sure. Maybe it’s better as it is.