Trans Teacher

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Attention seeking males do not consider the children

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That is a dreadful thing to say if you are referring to the teacher wearing a dress. Teachers consider children more than any other setof people, sometimes even more than the parents. The clothes you wear do not impact on that level of caring.

That was not my post, I was quoting it. But I agree with it.

Wht do you speak as if others know nothing about teachers? I'm the mother of one and the mother-in-law and aunt of others.
Most teachers are caring and considerate of their pupils but not all are.

This one isn't.
If he cared more about the children than himself he'd not wear something controversial.

dress codes change

Okay. So maybe I’ll tell my son, who is a barrister, that the next time he appears in The Royal Courts of Justice, often referred to as the High Court, that the dress code he adheres to is unnecessary and he should simply wear a dress, because he can!

For your information, the dress code at The Royal Courts of Justice, for a barrister is as follows:
1) white barrister’s shirt and tie (bought in a specialist legal clothing supplier’s)
2) black suit
3) barrister’s gown
4) wig

Other courts have different dress codes. Sometimes a gown is required but not a wig. Always a black suit and white shirt is required but not always a gown.

My point is that certain roles have certain dress codes. It’s accepted, it’s normal, it is how it is.

There is no need for grown adults to try to alter things unofficially by dressing‘differently’ because it shows a huge lack of respect and total immaturity.

In the terms of my son, he wouldn’t be allowed to appear in court unless he was dressed appropriately.

Trousers have long been considered unisex, whereas skirts generally have not, so a man wearing a skirt is making a personal point. Perhaps a class of eight year-olds isn’t the most appropriate, or effective, place to make that point?

Well said Bluebelle

He can please himself what he does when he's not at work teaching young children. What he wears should not be controversial in any way.
It's all about their education, it's not about him.

Callistemon21

^Attention seeking males do not consider the children^

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That is a dreadful thing to say if you are referring to the teacher wearing a dress. Teachers consider children more than any other setof people, sometimes even more than the parents. The clothes you wear do not impact on that level of caring.

So you’re happy for a teacher to have a ring through his nose or a tattoo on his/ her face ? Violetsky that’s individuality and expression There are places for individual expression and places for convention This is crossing the line
No wonder the country’s in such a pickle

School IS NOT the place to express yourself or your individuality icanhandthembback

There are some professions that just need to be plain and respectful in their dress teacher, doctors, police, fire, office etc etc No woman could or should turn up in a skimpy low cut top and sparkly tight skirt to teach a classroom of kids
It’s not about quashing the man’s expression but conforming to acceptable dress codes

The school should set the rules and have not allowed it
The school are wrong big time

'I hope he is not rolling his skirt over at the waistband to make it into a pelmet'.

Nice one Sparklefizz

Only you used that word, icanhandthemback
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What a load of fuss about nothing. As long as he is suitably covered it is down to him how he dresses. Teachers have to be decently dressed (and I think they should look smart) but if it is decent where is the problem? In days gone by, boys wore dresses up to the age of 5, men wore all sorts of peculiar clothing. etc. Women railed against having to cover up everything down to their ankles and we called it feminism. Men want to express themselves through what they wear and they are called perverts.

Attention seeking males do not consider the children

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Mollygo

VioletSky

This has nothing to do with sexuality.. it is just clothing

This has nothing to do with trans people, it's just clothing

It has a lot to do with sexism though because expecting anyone to confirm to gender norms and bullying those who don't is inherently sexist

This is not sexist.
This is to do with males attention seeking.

My concern is not about a man in a skirt. Like I said, the head should have publicly given him permission.
My concern is about what he will try next once the skirt ceases to gain him the attention he craves.

So if men wearing skirts are "attention seeking" are women wearing trousers?

Of course it is sexist. Even children know that. Which is why they protest about school uniform restrictions which allow girls to wear trousers, but forbid boys to wear skirts.
Should the head also have to announce that women teachers can wear trousers?
And if you say "No" that is so sexist.

As long as the children are not told off for laughing at him I don't see a big problem. He is just another attention seeker who would like to gain martyr status.

Sparklefizz

If he is sitting with his legs akimbo as men tend to do, then what he is wearing beneath his skirt becomes relevant. Women don't tend to sit like that in a skirt.

Good point. Fortunately, Y4 sit on the floor less frequently than younger children.
One reason why primary teachers wanted to wear trousers was because sitting on a chair to read stories to children meant children were seeing straight up skirts-at thighs, or even further.
Attention seeking males do not consider the children.

Perhaps he's going commando lol a lot of men I've heard do 😁

If he is sitting with his legs akimbo as men tend to do, then what he is wearing beneath his skirt becomes relevant. Women don't tend to sit like that in a skirt.

Is he wearing tights and women's shoes with his skirt?

Will the boys be giggling and peering up his skirt when he goes up the stairs?

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Nicenanny3

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Seems a rather 'strnge mind to wonder what underwear someone is wearing!!

I was having a bit of fun obviously lighten up. Seems more strange to me perhaps not to you that a grown man and a teacher is going to school wearing a skirt 😉

No more than another teacher wearing trousers, however they may identify,

It's normal to see woman/girls in trousers/jeans and in the shops they are sold as such Women's Trousers in the Women's Section, but I've yet to see in the Mens Clothing Section dresses for men 🤔 Although I did see some strange shops in Brighton a few years ago selling Sailor Suits and bondage gear for grown men so what do I know lol

I 100% agree with your posts maddyone and Doodledog - my thoughts exactly!

VioletSky

This has nothing to do with sexuality.. it is just clothing

This has nothing to do with trans people, it's just clothing

It has a lot to do with sexism though because expecting anyone to confirm to gender norms and bullying those who don't is inherently sexist

This is not sexist.
This is to do with males attention seeking.

My concern is not about a man in a skirt. Like I said, the head should have publicly given him permission.
My concern is about what he will try next once the skirt ceases to gain him the attention he craves.

maddyone

For example, female staff in my school were unable to wear spaghetti strap tops. They were considered unsuitable in school, although they are obviously perfectly suitable at home, in the garden, on holiday etc. But not in school!
Male and female teachers were unable to wear vest tops. All tops should have a short sleeve.
It’s called respectful dress, and I conformed.
Dress codes are mandatory in many professions and workplaces. It’s not unusual, it’s required.

But dress codes change.
The Australian's I worked with were the first people I ever saw in smart shorts, but they are much more common now.They were good teachers. (A couple so one man one woman)

Is a man in jeans and a t-shirt acceptable, but a man in a smart dress not?

I know of someone whose professional advice at her annual review was to "sex it up a bit". Is that OK? Should she have conformed because her profession required it?

This has nothing to do with sexuality.. it is just clothing

This has nothing to do with trans people, it's just clothing

It has a lot to do with sexism though because expecting anyone to confirm to gender norms and bullying those who don't is inherently sexist

maddyone

Jackiest

We no longer refer to trousers as men's clothing maybe we should stop referring to dresses as women's clothing.

Why?

For the same reason you would not like to be thought of as being odd or have people have people discussing your sexuality just because you found it more comfortable to wear trousers.

Doodledog, another sensible and informed post on this subject. I agree wholeheartedly with your viewpoint.

As a retired teacher, I think far more worrying would have been if pupils had seen him (is he actually transitioning? He doesn't seem to be) out of school in a skirt. The gossips and the romour mill would have been in overdrive.
Schools reflect society. Society has said for decades if men can do it, then so can women. And vice versa.

I also agree with your post Maddie one,as teachers we knew what our dress code was and adhered to it. Some would not let momen wear trousers others thought it was better for sitting at tiny desks or on the carpet with the children.
He is pushing the boundaries and trying to see how far his head can be pushed. If a teacher tries this on who can blame the pupils for doing the same.

NanKate

I’m with you Urms.👍

My grandchildren live in the Brighton area and my eldest who was 9 at the time commented to me about someone who had just walked passed us. ‘That posh lady had on a lot of makeup’ he said.

When we got back in the house I explained that some men like to dress in women’s clothes (in this case a long pink dress with a matching parasol). ‘That’s not a man Nan’ ! ‘Yes it is’ I replied. I then started to say how we had Dames in Pantos. By this time my DGS had lost interest and the conversation stopped. I now suspect children accept these situations far more easily than some of us do.

I am uneasy about children 'accepting these situations', to be honest. I am all for their learning that people are all different, and accepting people for who they are; but it is naive to think that there is no trans agenda, and that children are not part of it.

Children are being encouraged to 'change gender' and adults support that without knowing what it means. I'd love someone to explain what 'changing gender' actually means. People confuse 'gender' and sex all the time. 'Gender reveal' parties are an example of this - if gender is negotiable, how can a baby's gender be revealed before it is even born? It is possible to determine its sex as that is stamped through its DNA - something that is often denied by the trans lobby. Also, sexuality, sex and gender are often mixed up - who knows whether this teacher is wearing a skirt because it gives him a sexual buzz, because he wishes he were a woman or because he likes to feel a breeze on his thighs? My concern is that individually 'innocuous' things paint a troubling picture when put together.

*Drag queens in sexualised costumes read stories to primary children.
*Despite cutbacks to so many things, there are training courses to alert school staff to 'gender dysphoria', even though it is vanishingly rare.
*Polices abound concerning pronouns, 'deadnaming' and 'misgendering', with staff at the mercy of children, who can have them disciplined for a slip of the tongue.
*Confusion about sexuality (extremely commonplace) is mistaken for being 'in the wrong body'.
*Nobody can explain what being in 'the wrong body' means, but children are encouraged to 'transition' on the strength of it.
*Breast binders are sold to pubescent girls, often without their parents' knowledge, never mind consent.

It goes on and on.

For their own safety I think it is very important that children grow up able to trust their instincts, and a lot of these things will result in confusion. A male teacher in a skirt may seem insignificant in itself, but put together with the rest it's part of a rather murky picture.

Also, what sort of adult sees wearing a skirt as 'pushing the boundaries'? It's a bit adolescent, isn't it? We've had examples of boys wearing their sisters' skirts to make a point, and of girls rolling their waistbands to convert 'sensible' skirts to minis. All amusing when done by teenagers, but a mature adult in a position of authority?