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Am I wrong to think this is rude ?

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Gangan2 Sat 28-Oct-23 02:22:11

I have fairly recently moved into a terraced house and although happy with the move I am struggling with a situation which occurs quite regularly. My neighbours either side of me have been lovely and made me feel very welcome in many ways and genuinely wouldn't want to upset them but they have one habit which makes me uncomfortable.
They have known each other for quite a few years and obviously have a strong friendship which is lovely and catch up with each other most days. My problem is that their catch up is sometimes over the garden fence (we have very low fencing between our gardens) and because I am in between their houses the conversation takes place across my garden if that makes sense? During the day I don't have an issue with this but of an evening I find it a bit of an invasion of my privacy, especially if I have had my shower etc and want to cook my dinner. I feel that I have to get dressed again etc as my kitchen window and glass backdoor is right where they stand either side leaning over their fences talking. I like to have my door open when the weather was nice but feel the need to close it when they are there and now it's dark early their constant movement brings my floodlight on so I am totally illuminated inside and out if that makes sense? Their voices are also quite loud ( because of the distance between them) and I can't hear anything that I may be listening to whilst cooking etc or having a phone conversation. This can go on for 30 minutes or more before they go back inside.
I have absolutely no issues if its during the day and I am around and we all tend to join in chatting as we pass etc. Which is lovely and I couldn't bare to fallout with either of side as they are such good neighbours apart from this habit and I can't stand atmospheres!
I am a very social person but I just feel a bit invaded by this of an evening. AIBU? Or do I need to stop being a grump ?

Primrose53 Sun 29-Oct-23 12:03:22

Fences are often the cause of trouble. My friend had a new build next door on a plot that’s not very wide. There were all sorts of conditions before it was built. One was that it had to have a certain height fencing between them supplied by the new build.

The fence was put up all the way down the garden but where the dining room looked out to my friend’s garden they put 2 fencing panels much lower. I don’t suppose they liked looking out at a fence but my friend complained to the council who made them put full size up again.

JaneJudge Sun 29-Oct-23 11:17:55

can you plant some trees or hedging?

RosiesMaw Sun 29-Oct-23 11:12:14

OP I’d take my courage in both hands, put 3 mugs of tea (or g&t’s, depending on your neighbours!) on a tray with a plate of biscuits and invite yourself to join them.
If they back off so be it but nobody can hold anything against you or think you unfriendly.

RosiesMaw Sun 29-Oct-23 11:09:22

biglouis

My NDN used to poke her ugly snoot over the fence and call out to me. I replaced it with fencing as high as the law permits and now she cant look over unless sha stands on a ladder. High fences make for good neighbourly relations.

🎶 Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours 🎶

Somehow I don’t think she will miss you, with opinions like that.

Callistemon21 Sun 29-Oct-23 10:45:17

biglouis

My NDN used to poke her ugly snoot over the fence and call out to me. I replaced it with fencing as high as the law permits and now she cant look over unless sha stands on a ladder. High fences make for good neighbourly relations.

Sounds like quite the opposite in fact!

Saying your neighbour has an ugly snoot on social media is rude.
I wonder if she's on GN and what she thinks of you 😲

merlotgran Sun 29-Oct-23 10:28:42

biglouis

My NDN used to poke her ugly snoot over the fence and call out to me. I replaced it with fencing as high as the law permits and now she cant look over unless sha stands on a ladder. High fences make for good neighbourly relations.

They may well do but you sound like one heck of a scary neighbour! 😱

biglouis Sun 29-Oct-23 01:08:12

My NDN used to poke her ugly snoot over the fence and call out to me. I replaced it with fencing as high as the law permits and now she cant look over unless sha stands on a ladder. High fences make for good neighbourly relations.

AskAlice Sat 28-Oct-23 18:49:58

Personally, I'd find it very irritating to have neighbours either side "chatting" regularly across my space, but for the sake of neighbourly relations a high fence might be a step too far.

Our neighbours on one side had a four foot fence with about a foot of trellising on top - not too exposed for either of us but we could see if someone was in the garden if we wanted to communicate, but weren't on top of each other. When they sold their house, the new neighbours immediately put up a 6 foot solid fence. Our garden is about 9 inches below theirs (we live on a hill) so the effect was like the Great Wall of China and put a large slice of our garden in complete shade after about one o'clock in summer and most of the day in winter! Complete redesign of border on that side of the garden ensued hmm and it did feel rather an odd thing for them to do, although we never said a word.

In your situation, I think I would find some shrubs that will grow high enough and quickly enough to create a semi-permeable barrier, enough to screen but not a solid "wall". How about some Philadelphus? Beautiful scented flowers in the summer, leaves in spring until late Autumn. If the budget would allow it, you could get a more mature specimen that would give you the privacy you need more quickly. Or, as other have said, some trellising and grow a honeysuckle, clematis (there are some everygreen ones that grow quickly) or climbing rose up it. You would have a perfect excuse in saying that you wanted flowers and/or scent near the house and you would only have to do it on the one side to have the desired effect of cutting off their direct eyeline in order to chat.

Hope you find the responses here helpful, and that you come back and let us all know what you decide to do.

Juliet27 Sat 28-Oct-23 18:44:52

Sometimes we have to do something counterintuitive to live in peace with something awkward
Wise comment NotSpaghetti. I shall try to remember it.

Esmay Sat 28-Oct-23 18:15:55

To be honest ,there's nothing worse than having hostile neighbours .
One of my old neighbours made my life a misery .
My neighbour is very nice and the last thing that I'd want is to create bad feelings with her by complaining .

Maybe , I'd plant some shrubs in the border of that low fence so that chatting wasn't so easy as they couldn't see each other .

Why not push the boat out and invite them to a regular wine and cheese at your house so you can all socialise together ?

NotSpaghetti Sat 28-Oct-23 18:11:19

Gangan2 I'd definitely try to engage in the conversation the odd evening. If nothing else it will feel nicer as though you have a bit more of a stake in the garden and a bit more control.

I think that by joining in a bit you will feel more of an "insider" and it will help you to relax about it.

Sometimes we have to do something counterintuitive to live in peace with something awkward.

Gangan2 Sat 28-Oct-23 15:20:38

Thank you for all your comments. I really didn't realise that this is not uncommon. I personally wouldn't do it but we are all different in what we consider acceptable. I will just have to get over it I know and try and ignore the situation.As I said I don't want to upset anyone. I did indeed switch the outside light off one evening after over 40 minutes , it possibly helped I think . I have muttered to myself about putting up high fencing on my side ( the rest of the gardens have very high fences so wouldn't look out of place ! ) but I know I wouldn't do that lol .
I guess a blind may be purchased, I definitely don't want a film as I love looking into my garden as much as possible. I may also try turning tv up !
Goodness I am turning into a grump 😂

Quokka Sat 28-Oct-23 14:39:43

By a good coverall dressing gown

Baggs Sat 28-Oct-23 14:35:47

Pray for rain 😅

Can you switch your floodlight off while they're blethering?

merlotgran Sat 28-Oct-23 14:26:15

NotSpaghetti
merlotgran I think now is the time to raise the fence if you can - even if you only do it near the house.
Once someone moves in it's rather pointed!

I see what you mean but I’m trying to be crafty, hoping the new people will want the extra height and privacy. That way I can ‘oblige’ by getting their builder to do it!!

The word on the block is that it’s a builder who has bought it (at auction) 🤞🤞

Patsy70 Sat 28-Oct-23 14:17:14

Dickens

Well I think it's bad manners, and you are not being unreasonable in finding it intrusive.

However, the age old problem of not falling out with nice neighbours,,,

How about a radio in your kitchen - some loud-ish music (Classic FM?) might drown out their chatter, or even drive them to visit each other instead?

I agree. Also Pyracantha along the fence? 😳😂

NotSpaghetti Sat 28-Oct-23 14:09:34

merlotgran I think now is the time to raise the fence if you can - even if you only do it near the house.
Once someone moves in it's rather pointed!

Our neighbours put taller panels in when their other next door neighbour put the house up for sale.
I know they are pleased as although the new people are lovely people they do have huge numbers of relatives who are in the garden all summer it seems.

welbeck Sat 28-Oct-23 13:25:44

why would you have to get fully dressed after your bath ?
just go around and about as you normally would, perhaps a large towel, with dripping hair.
it's your garden, your house, reclaim your space.
good luck.

Dickens Sat 28-Oct-23 13:15:26

Well I think it's bad manners, and you are not being unreasonable in finding it intrusive.

However, the age old problem of not falling out with nice neighbours,,,

How about a radio in your kitchen - some loud-ish music (Classic FM?) might drown out their chatter, or even drive them to visit each other instead?

merlotgran Sat 28-Oct-23 13:05:02

I’m reading this thread with interest because at long last the bungalow I’m attached to has finally sold! It needs a lot doing to it so has been on the market for two years!

The fence between us is mine and is low enough to chat over. It was almost new when I inherited it so, with nobody living there, I have left it alone. I’m going to wait until the new owners move in before doing anything.

I’m hoping they will employ a friendly builder to do all the work and I’ll be able to ‘do a deal’ 😉

NotSpaghetti Sat 28-Oct-23 12:27:53

On our visit (my daughter and I) to the house she nearly bought they were really chatty to each other (and us).
They were friendly and welcoming but it was obvious that they did this a lot.

To get any privacy in the garden you really had to go way beyond them to where the previous owner had put up a shed!

I think you have to find a way yo cope with it unfortunately.

Why does your outside light illuminate you inside though?
I think it could be angled differently which may help?

Putting up a trellis may push them further down a bit but I wouldn't do it without saying something like " I love it here but I do wish I had something pretty climbing up outside the kitchen window - would it interfere with your chatting to X if I did this - would you be happy chatting a bit further down? "

Good luck.
At least they are welcoming and friendly.
flowers

RosiesMaw Sat 28-Oct-23 12:26:03

I'm not sure I have the confidence but you could just invite yourself to join in. If they don't want you to, they'll quickly reschedule for one of their houses or alternatively wou might be very welcome.
Personally I DO think it is rude to talk across somebody else's space whether garden or even in a pub or cafe but for the sake of being friends with your neighbours and if you have the "brass neck" -give it a go. Have your shower 45 minutes later.

Theexwife Sat 28-Oct-23 12:17:21

If it is only half an hour when the weather is ok then it is probably something you will have to get used to, weighed up against the rest of the time when you want to socialise with them it isn’t that bad.

merlotgran Sat 28-Oct-23 12:03:13

You could add trellis to whichever fence is yours and grow something up it. It wouldn’t be a solid barrier but would impede their vision of each other and might put them off.

pascal30 Sat 28-Oct-23 10:40:41

could you plant something on one side maybe like a bamboo so they have to move further down the garden.. and put a venetian blind on the window.. definitely turn off the light.. and just slip on a simple dress after your shower