To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

GSM, I agree with your latest post expressing your views on the Sergeant involved with GF. Sergeants like him are so important, years of experience and a calm strong presence

AGAA4 - sorry if I seemed to make assumptions. I’m northwest mining areas, my dad’s former colleague at dad’s funeral singled out the Met for waving wage slips and abuse at the miners. His disgust was evident.
There wasn’t the hostility between local bobbies and miners that developed when the Met arrived sneering and provoking

Seems to have been a spot of bother at the St George's day March in London today.

Thank you.

GSM We don't often agree, but on this I do.

The police officer who said ‘openly Jewish’ was doing his best in a difficult and protracted situation. He is unlikely to be a university educated fast-track officer with a silver tongue but he is an experienced officer used to dealing with people of all ethnicities and walks of life in London. How easy it is to sit in a leisurely environment and pick over someone’s words, deciding he is an antisemite when all the evidence - his care, his patience - dictate otherwise. You do him a grave disservice with your insults Annie. Your view was formed on the basis of GF’s deliberately misleading edited highlights and unlike many others you refuse to acknowledge the reality which has been published since then, including on this thread.

I was very involved with the miners strive, saw police officers
burning paper money, some were fine, not all,
Easy to forget police cannot shed their politics when in uniform, they have their beliefs as we all do

The police officer who said ‘openly Jewish’ this is how he thinks
The police officer who described swastika placard as ‘in context’ this is how he thinks

That was for Iam64. Apologies for poor grammar.

My DH was at those miners strikes and him and other policemen were on the side of the miners. The miners wives brought them drinks and food which they wouldn't have done if those police had been hostile.
It was when the Met officers turned up that things became nasty. The police from the other forces there felt very let down by the behaviour of the Met police.

The policeman who tried so patiently to protect GF is the victim. I hope the Met Commissioner won’t be another one.

Why would what happened encourage more anti semitic people. Why shouldn’t Gideon F ‘turn up’ ? It’s a free country
They have been largely peaceful in large part due to hands off policing.
Do you remember the battle of Orgreave when mounted officers charged striking miners, using violence not seen in this country. One of the retired senior officers at my dads funeral 15 years later commented that it would take even longer for trust in the police in mining areas to be rebuilt
They police by consent. We need to help with that

Who's the victim?

AGAA4

It's not only Jewish people who feel intimidated by these marches. Other people are keeping well away from them too.
I think after what happened on Saturday there will be more antisemitic people joining the marches. They seem to have been peaceful so far but if GF turns up again I dread to think what could happen.

Are you even aware you doing it?

Now it’s more victim blaming. The marches will become even more anti semitic? Why’s that then?

As for peaceful so far - there’s been lots of trouble and arrests in the past 6 months during the marches.

There’s none so blind…….

I’m another who disagrees with what Annie says about the police. Iam describes the difficulty they have in taking action at the time. CCTV and other footage is examined to identify those causing trouble and bring them to justice.

Agree Iam

The younger me who went on demonstrations peacefully was always infuriated by the minority who were more interested in a fight with the police than winning hearts and minds. Who deliberately provoked. Whatever the POV.

I don’t share your belief the police are deliberately turning a blind eye and deaf ear
Our police have a long proud record of avoiding riots and unnecessary conflict with the thousands who use our right to demonstrate.
These marches have the potential to explode into public disorder despite the fact the majority don’t want violence.
It’s likely police use their cameras to review the marches, attempting to identify law breakers and potential trouble makers. Dragging individuals out of the crowds is fraught with possible problems
In saying this, I’m in no way minimising the fear Jewish people feel . I find if difficult to critique code Gideon Falter, he’s drawn media attention to anti semitism, intimidation and the real difficulties facing the Met

Could it be because the police turn a blind eye and have loss of
hearing - the 3 monkeys

Anniebach

Why would people stay away from peaceful marches, sorry,
from marches that appear to be peaceful , it’s a mystery, !

Because peaceful marches are often hijacked by rentamob people who just want to disrupt things for their own agenda

Why would people stay away from peaceful marches, sorry,
from marches that appear to be peaceful , it’s a mystery, !

It's not only Jewish people who feel intimidated by these marches. Other people are keeping well away from them too.
I think after what happened on Saturday there will be more antisemitic people joining the marches. They seem to have been peaceful so far but if GF turns up again I dread to think what could happen.

Most definitely not, Annie. I was giving some historical facts in order to explain the enduring interest in the UK around this conflict since it was raised as a question.
In any criticism of Israeli policy I have always made absolutely clear it is criticism of a regime not a race and I do not support terrorism.
Right through this thread and the threads on the politics in the area.

In the 1930's? The support from the far right and some leading and well known UK supporters of Hitler. Master racist theories favouring Aryan backgrounds.

I could get into the nitty gritty of the event but I shan't. What is more important to me is the terrorist organisations and the money behind them who promote this dangerous divisiveness. Not all Palestinians are anti-jewish, not all jewish people are anti Palestinian. Both countries have a right to exist and be respected. It is the extreme elements and groups who win when we react by fighting between ourselves. I believe we really need to change direction and use our strength to move forward positively and peacefully. We should not be fanning these flames; it polarises us and is deeply deeply upsetting.

I said what I know , don’t tell me what I think

No that is not what Wyllow is doing, but you know that.