Gransnet forums

AIBU

A just stop oil protester is going to miss her brothers wedding now that she has been locked up.

(143 Posts)
bikergran Wed 24-Jul-24 17:36:14

Maybe the brother can re arrange the wedding like all those people had to re arrange their appointments when the M25 came to a standstill!

Cressida Gethin jailed for 4 years.

Delene Fri 26-Jul-24 14:19:36

Her actions and that of others, cost the country billions, notwithstanding the lives that may have been saved in an emergency. She should be ashamed of herself. I think more tears should have bern added to her sentence for the financial losses, disruption and inconvenience caused to many people.

Baggs Fri 26-Jul-24 14:07:00

We all know that climate change is very, very serious

It isn't.

Ziplok Fri 26-Jul-24 14:04:58

Absolutely no sympathy for her. She caused massive disruption to many thousands. Some, as outlined above, missed crucial appointments, the delay of which might mean they don’t survive their illness. Shame on her and her kind.

We all know that climate change is very, very serious, and that drastic changes have to be made quickly to how we live our lives, but this kind of behaviour is unhelpful and pointless. Education, not bullying tactics and disruptions are what is needed

As an aside, I wonder how the wedding guests are getting to the venue, how many wedding cars are booked, is the food and drink for the reception all sourced locally, or will air/road miles be involved getting it? Their hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

undines Fri 26-Jul-24 13:59:29

We are all going to miss a great deal more appointments and other necessities of life if this crazy Net Zero agenda is pursued. We are told that the 'science is settled' but it is NOT, the 'science is silenced' would be a more accurate description. There are many, many reputable scientists who have lost status and livelihood through speaking out. They are labelled 'Climate Change Deniers', as if that is tantamount to heresy, and turned into pariahs while we are all pushed into being very, very afraid of man-made global warming - hence the over-the-top actions of these young people. This agenda is being pushed for a reason - there are huge vested interests in solar farms et al (although I'm puzzled how all those lithium batteries are going to be made without oil, and in a way friendly to the environment and the miners.)
There are many scientists who say that carbon in the atmosphere has been much higher in ages past, and in any case does no harm - maybe good, because it stimulates plant growth. Yes, the earth may be slightly warming, but it has been much hotter in the past - climate change is natural, and down to the sun. Meanwhile we, who produce I understand about 2% of the world's carbon emissions, are going to impoverish our country, while China gallops ahead. Can it be in anyone's best interests for the West voluntarily to surrender its economic power to totalitarian states, for some ideological purpose, that is highly questionable, if not downright crazy?
Please do not misunderstand me, I am not saying we aren't doing huge harm to our world, but all this Net Zero rubbish is taking attention away from pollution and destruction of our environment. Where are the bees and insects this summer? And the butterflies? I've seen hardly any. What is going on? If the insects die out, we go with them, and far quicker than with 'global warming.'
Please take a look at the video CLIMATE CHANGE, THE COLD TRUTH - you should be able to find it on YouTube, unless of course it has been taken down due to censorship - oh, sorry, hush my mouth, 'disinformation'.

TiggyW Fri 26-Jul-24 13:36:15

‘The UK has & continues to reduce use fossil fuels & the clear upward trend of use lies with the rapidly expanding economies of countries such as China & India.

I might be more impressed by the JSO protestors if they pitched up outside the Chinese & other relevant embassies in the UK to make their voices heard, or popped over to said nations to make their case outside their democratic parliaments & Govt institutions.’

Well said, GrannySquare!
If they protested in said countries they’d probably be either shot or just disappear. Perhaps we could all crowdfund their trip. Not by plane, of course.

SillyNanny321 Fri 26-Jul-24 12:55:43

Oh poor girl, how sad, too bad!

Musicgirl Fri 26-Jul-24 12:46:44

Poor diddums. What about the poor man who missed his father's funeral because of their antics? I know where my sympathy lies.

SWT61 Fri 26-Jul-24 12:40:45

No sympathy at all, her mother just looked ridiculous when she put out that statement. One particular person caught up in it was on the way to a cancer treatment, it got put back weeks because of her and her mates

GrannySquare Fri 26-Jul-24 12:37:12

Judge Hahir’s summary speaks of the conspiracy to protest on the M25 & effectively grid lock the South East. To this end the group had access to an algorithm & organisational intelligence to show this as a realistic threat & this evidence was presented to the Court.

Other JSO events have actually or planned to enter & disrupt UK airspace.

Again, take a look at the Judge’s comments & read forthcoming trial reporting/summary judgements with care & interest.

GrannySquare Fri 26-Jul-24 12:32:37

For those of you who like to munch data &/or lean upon fact rather than cultish dogma, the World of Data website offer may be of interest.

ourworldindata.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions?insight=there-are-large-differences-in-emissions-across-the-world#key-insights

The UK has & continues to reduce use fossil fuels & the clear upward trend of use lies with the rapidly expanding economies of countries such as China & India.

I might be more impressed by the JSO protestors if they pitched up outside the Chinese & other relevant embassies in the UK to make their voices heard, or popped over to said nations to make their case outside their democratic parliaments & Govt institutions.

MissInterpreted Fri 26-Jul-24 12:26:53

They haven't just been protesting on the M25 though - protests have been held in a number of cities. I wonder if anyone who missed vital appointments, things like funerals etc, would be quite so forgiving. How would you feel if it had happened to you? It is possible to be concerned about the state of our planet, while still not condoning the actions of this lot.

Dillonsgranma Fri 26-Jul-24 12:25:41

Well said Rosie51
Couldn’t have put it better myself

Chardy Fri 26-Jul-24 12:24:19

As everyone who travels on the M25 knows, it is impossible to gauge how long a journey will take because of constant hold-ups at almost any time except the middle of the night.
As for ambulances getting through, where there is no hard shoulder because of smart motorway, cars will always move out the way for an ambulance. And if a woman is in labour in a car/ cancer appt etc, ring the police - they will get you through.
So all in all, people prepared to go to prison for trying to draw attention to global warming for the sake of our grandchildren don't seem as entitled as those who are destroying the planet.

Urmstongran Fri 26-Jul-24 12:12:45

GrannyGravy13

Entitled people…

This.

RosiesMaw2 Fri 26-Jul-24 12:11:53

Oh dear, who’s going to throw the orange powder/paint over everybody now?

Spuddy Fri 26-Jul-24 12:09:23

Excellent news!

GrannySquare Fri 26-Jul-24 12:07:58

Judge Christopher Hahir’s summing up & sentencing can be downloaded here www.judiciary.uk/judgments/rex-v-hallam-and-others/

The document is 23 pages long & well written, the reason & logic flows well. It is most illuminating & gives a reasoned judgement about the sentencing.

Ali08 Fri 26-Jul-24 12:03:59

Oh well, never mind! She'd probably ruin it, anyway.

GrannySquare Fri 26-Jul-24 11:51:40

Ugh, apols for typos.

Brownowl564 Fri 26-Jul-24 11:51:01

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

GrannySquare Fri 26-Jul-24 11:50:56

The Judge’s summing up of the case & sentencing was succinct & to the very point.

I think that the sentences given are not the maximum possible for this crime & there is a risk that those convicted if they go to appeal - hence the careful wording of the Judge, the evidence used in the trial & the statements made by the defendants - that the sentences could be increased.

There is a potential, that a) given that the defendants are guilty by the evidence given & b) their own comments in court, that some may take out civil proceedings for damages. But then Hallam & the others in real life - rather than his ideological fanatical persona - may have little to offer.

Cressida’s mother has just made the point that her DD cannot gel right from wrong & believes herself not be subject to UK law & order, & the responsibilities/restrictions of peaceful protest. Indeed Cressie’s mummy suggests the entitled apple has not fallen far from the tree. Almost funny…but not for the impact, well beyond what was presented as evidence in court, for people & everyday lives.

Leavesden Fri 26-Jul-24 11:47:17

I have no sympathy for her, if you do the crime you face the consequences,she had no thought for the people disrupted by this.

Sakura4 Fri 26-Jul-24 11:42:44

Sorry my dear, your choice, your responsibility.

Beckett Fri 26-Jul-24 11:38:47

I think very few people disagree with the need to find alternatives to oil and it is being worked on. These things take time and cannot be suddenly be produced out of thin air.

Disrupting the lives of people who are less entitled and actually have to work for a living does nothing for their cause, but they couldn't care less about that. Don't forget the words of the protester who when told their protest had prevented a man reaching his dying father replied "I'm not sorry because I know I am right!

nexus63 Fri 26-Jul-24 11:32:21

well done the courts.