Iraq legalises marriage so that 9 year olds can marry

I deplore that kind of news of course but it seems to me we are in danger of ignoring severe cases of child rape and abuse in our own country (and the USA) and attributing all to "them" - other cultures - we are far from blameless.

People from all cultures standing together against child abuse is the way forward.

The difference of course is that we dont have laws which permit men to rape children.

Of course. Just saying, not to ignore it.

We'll have to see, as pointed out one page 1 if it actually does become law.

GrannyGravy13

Afghanistan also allows girls to be married at 9yrs old.

I think it’s abhorrent, as do my Muslim friends.

Most Muslims do find it shocking, and are annoyed that some Muslim clerics ignore the fact that the provision for girls below the age of puberty being able to marry, was, it is believed, originally only meant to cover orphans without near relations, in order to protect these girls from prostitution.

A man marrying such a girl, as the Prophet himself did, was expected not to consummate the marriage until the girl was old enough to know what that entailed. It was never intended that a child of nine should live as the wife (except in name) of the man who took her into his household and gave her a marriage contract.

You are making it worse.

I'm so sad to read this .
One of my friends was married at 13 ..
She told me how devastated she was .
She didn't even understand what was happening to her .
She gave birth to a huge baby girl just before her 14th birthday .
Her mother in law didn't want her to have a caesarian section and the obstetrician told her husband that his mother was murdering her .
She had a C section and was given contraception.
Her next child was born some years later .
And one more after a few more years after that .
At 13 she was far too young .
The thought of a 9 year old having sex and giving birth is unbearable .
Their bodies aren't ready .

That's awful Esmay. What must these awful men be thinking. Surely they must know it's wrong. So very wrong.

My friend , as many Muslim girls was betrothed yo her cousin from birth .
University was planned for her .
One day, she came home from school to be greeted by her fiancé's family.
The marriage was rushed through because her formidable mother in law said that she was dying and wanted to see their marriage and at least one grandchild .
.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Those poor little girls.

Young girls are sent to Pakistan to marry much older men, sometimes related. It’s abhorrent and something needs to be done. Often they know and tell teachers but they are powerless to do anything.

I was about to say the same thing Skydancer. Everyone is afraid to say it but we have enclaves of different cultures in this country. Most of us do not know what goes on in them. The Pakistani grooming gangs are all over the headlines; FGM occurs in England, as reported a while ago. Kemi Badenoch alluded to it several days ago.

I don’t know how you deal with this because as soon as it is mentioned cries of ‘racism’ are heard. A few prosecutions of those going against the laws of the particular country might help but with someone like Starmer in charge it won’t happen.

FGM is illegal and it is most strongly prosecuted in the UK and taken most seriously.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/female-genital-mutilation

And examples of prosecution if you google.

It has been spoken against by the MCB for over 10 years.

mcb.org.uk/muslim-council-of-britain-speaks-out-against-female-genital-mutilation/

Wyllow3

FGM is illegal and it is most strongly prosecuted in the UK and taken most seriously.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/female-genital-mutilation

And examples of prosecution if you google.

It has been spoken against by the MCB for over 10 years.

mcb.org.uk/muslim-council-of-britain-speaks-out-against-female-genital-mutilation/

I remember looking at it whilst doing my degree donkeys years ago.

It has always been known about.

Suppression of women is at the base of it.

Honestly what we’ve put up with throughout the millennia

Religion nearly always provides the ideology behind it, and Christianity is not innocent in this regard, both historically and modern day - look at the USA.

Dickens

Wyllow3

Loads of stuff on google if you just enter Trad Wives USA. Different from deciding to stay at home, its a political movement.

Oh, the 'Trad Wives', yes I've read about that movement.

I believe some of them are "influencers" (and that's a word I'd be happy never to have to read again), selling their lifestyle online. Apparently, some aren't even married, but that's by-the-by.

It all feeds into the narrative and is a great boost for the alpha-male ethos raging in America at the moment. Get the wimin back in the kitchen, ban abortion, get rid of immigrants and have lots of home grown babies to fill all the jobs required - back to the golden age (whenever that was) and MAGA.

Sounds more like Stepford wives to me…

It is absolutely the same as choicey choice feminism. Oh yes it is so empowering for women to be on only fans or take part in prostitution. I am afraid if you think it is ok for women to make those choices then it has to be ok for women to choose to be traditional wives and post about on the internet.

I read that some bloody fool of a Republican is arguing that life begins at erection.

Suggesting I assume that women cannot refuse to have sex.

Whitewave 🤮🤢

nanna8

I don’t know how you deal with this because as soon as it is mentioned cries of ‘racism’ are heard. A few prosecutions of those going against the laws of the particular country might help but with someone like Starmer in charge it won’t happen.

Where’s the evidence in support of this? The evidence from his working life is commitment to the safety of women and girls

I don't think we should shy away from criticising cultural and religious practices that are abhorrent crimes from wherever they emanate. Having been raised a catholic, I'm damn glad that much of the wrong doings in the religion that dominated my early years, are now out in the open, in some cases, although not enough, perpetrators have been punished, often without the co-operation of the hierarchy that has certainly been a problem. All religions should be subject to scrutiny, they should not be allowed to be a law unto themselves as if they have some divine right to flout the law of the land or dismiss what society deems acceptable. .

Of course, as with Christianity, there are many strands to Islam, both hard line and far more relaxed, I have no doubt that many within that religion would not subscribe to little girls being married off to adult men, but criticism has to come from within as well as from the wider community.

Whitewavemark2

I read that some bloody fool of a Republican is arguing that life begins at erection.

Suggesting I assume that women cannot refuse to have sex.

No. I think this is basically an anti-masturbation law directed at men.

And I think a Democrat suggested it.
Will try to find it!

Here it is:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna188938

It would make it illegal to ejaculate without intending conception.

It's a tongue-in-cheek law (I believe) to point up the control over women's bodies around reproductive rights.

In a statement to NBC affiliate WLBT of Jackson, Blackmon referred to the high number of state legislative bills introduced in recent years that target women's access to reproductive health care, specifically abortion and contraception.

"All across the country, especially here in Mississippi, the vast majority of bills relating to contraception and/or abortion focus on the woman’s role when men are fifty percent of the equation," he wrote. "This bill highlights that fact and brings the man’s role into the conversation. People can get up in arms and call it absurd but I can’t say that bothers me."

Maybe when we have a president of the WHO who really wants this to end we might have a chance of wiping out this horror.
All the while we have the head of the WHO who was the head of public health in Ethiopia for 7 years there’s not a hope in hell of ending it.
To date 25 million in Ethiopia have been cut