Iraq legalises marriage so that 9 year olds can marry

NotSpaghetti

Hasn't America still got some states with no minimum age for marriage (with consent from parents)?
I know this was the case a few years ago.

I think in some very "religious" areas if a man made a young girl pregnant and they then married there was no legal case to answer.

I believe Jerry Lee Lewis had a 13 year old bride back in the '50s, whether or not that's still the case, seems archaic by today's standards.

I'm not saying that the situation in America makes the developments in Iraq any better by the way!

Oops, crossed posts, with different results.

Mine were from Wikipedia.

I remember seeing political commentator, Douglas Murray, on some discussion programme a couple of years ago, making the statement, which I imagine some would object to, "that not all cultures are equal" substantiating that in the way they treat women/girls and gay people. How can a 9 year old be married off, still a child, unable to give consent, treated as a mere chattel a commodity, no doubt money changes hands between her family and the man who acquires her. I've also read reports that this has happened in Afghanistan too. I was under the impression before I read this particular article, that the child had to reach a certain age, past puberty and that's bad enough, before the husband consummated the marriage. In this case the much older man, in fact quite old, who married the little girl, didn't wait till she was older to have sex with her, she the child was maybe 8 or 9, causing substantial injuries to her child's body, in fact she may have died. Sanctioned paedophilia! girls and women really count for nothing in these societies, of course we knew that about Afghanistan and now Iraq too. Shocking and appallingly regressive. .

And that has also happened in Yemen too.

My daughter’s first husband’s mum was married 13, had 3 kids by the time she was 17 and is now a very proud great grandma. She is an accountant and all the children are professionals and very successful. Her husband was 5 or 6 years older than her and they had to get a special licence. She has a Dutch heritage.

That may be so nana8 but it doesn’t make it ok.

Slightly off topic but relevant I think to discussions on equality. I read this morning of a growing movement in the USA for ‘wives’ to stay at home, not to be in paid employment.

As for adult men having sex with pre pubescent girls - it’s child abuse isn’t it.

Yes, it is Iam64

I alluded to Islamic Relief on the last page and they make it quite clear:

“Islamic Relief is an independent aid agency that is guided by Islamic humanitarian principles and seeks to end poverty and suffering around the world, especially among vulnerable groups.

As part of our commitment to ending suffering, we seek to protect children and establish gender justice by ending gender-based violence.

Early and forced marriage (EFM) often take place in communities where there is a wider social context that denies women’s and children’s rights, and where EFM persists alongside other harmful practices such as female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), gender-based violence and child abuse.

We are committed to seeing an end to these harmful practices that are prevalent in many Muslim communities and often wrongly associated with Islamic teaching"

As well as child marriage still being allowed in the US, it is a problem in Latin America too - I found this article just 2 months ago where after 17 years of campaigning , Colombia has banned child marriage;
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/14/colombia-outlaws-child-marriage-after-17-year-campaign-under-18

These dirty old men dislike western culture but consider child rape as their right and normal.

Legalised paedophilia, in a country run by men. Why am I not surprised. Absolutely disgusting, these poor children.

Camille333

These dirty old men dislike western culture but consider child rape as their right and normal.

Which dirty old men please?

To allow girls of 9 to marry is surely legalised child abuse. We should support all and any organisations which oppose it.

Yes of course it is.

Camille333

These dirty old men dislike western culture but consider child rape as their right and normal.

Please don't assume all in Iraq are the same. It's clear they do not if you just read page 1.

If we want to see things change this labelling is not helpful, we need to work with those who oppose it

I dont think she said that though did she. I assume she means those who legislate about child rape, and those who rape.
America as a country has a different culture around guns than we do, that doesnt mean there arent people protesting about it. Still has an issue with gun culture.

So we have " in families" young girls are not valued and "these dirty old men"

Not sure who the latter is or who these families are.

It’s child abuse and those that vote for it should be prosecuted for encouraging it.

Iam64

That may be so nana8 but it doesn’t make it ok.

Slightly off topic but relevant I think to discussions on equality. I read this morning of a growing movement in the USA for ‘wives’ to stay at home, not to be in paid employment.

As for adult men having sex with pre pubescent girls - it’s child abuse isn’t it.

Slightly off topic but relevant I think to discussions on equality. I read this morning of a growing movement in the USA for ‘wives’ to stay at home, not to be in paid employment.

How utterly depressing. Do you have a link?

Can you imagine where this might lead?

Loads of stuff on google if you just enter Trad Wives USA. Different from deciding to stay at home, its a political movement.

TerriBull

I remember seeing political commentator, Douglas Murray, on some discussion programme a couple of years ago, making the statement, which I imagine some would object to, "that not all cultures are equal" substantiating that in the way they treat women/girls and gay people. How can a 9 year old be married off, still a child, unable to give consent, treated as a mere chattel a commodity, no doubt money changes hands between her family and the man who acquires her. I've also read reports that this has happened in Afghanistan too. I was under the impression before I read this particular article, that the child had to reach a certain age, past puberty and that's bad enough, before the husband consummated the marriage. In this case the much older man, in fact quite old, who married the little girl, didn't wait till she was older to have sex with her, she the child was maybe 8 or 9, causing substantial injuries to her child's body, in fact she may have died. Sanctioned paedophilia! girls and women really count for nothing in these societies, of course we knew that about Afghanistan and now Iraq too. Shocking and appallingly regressive. .

Cultures are certainly not all equal !

Unfortunately this country has invited various cultures to live here. Maybe some of them have the same views.

Message deleted by Gransnet for breaking our forum guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

nanna8

It used to be the case in the UK,too, a few centuries ago. Mostly marriages made by the respective parents to ensure prosperity and uniting assets. The nobility in particular did this. More often than not the marriages were not consummated until the females were older. I sincerely hope this is the case in Iraq but I doubt it.

I recently read of a young girl of 9 being "married" and then she was raped to death. Poor girl....and was shocked to read that.

No-one should ever be married before 18 in any country - it's far too young. Add in "What if the poor child gets pregnant?" and I believe girls can become "fertile" as young as that sometimes and then you get a child giving birth to a child. Ugh!!!!

Wyllow3

Loads of stuff on google if you just enter Trad Wives USA. Different from deciding to stay at home, its a political movement.

Oh, the 'Trad Wives', yes I've read about that movement.

I believe some of them are "influencers" (and that's a word I'd be happy never to have to read again), selling their lifestyle online. Apparently, some aren't even married, but that's by-the-by.

It all feeds into the narrative and is a great boost for the alpha-male ethos raging in America at the moment. Get the wimin back in the kitchen, ban abortion, get rid of immigrants and have lots of home grown babies to fill all the jobs required - back to the golden age (whenever that was) and MAGA.