Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza

Quote Grantanow Thu 31-Jul-25 10:05:32
Negotiating with terrorists is sometimes necessary but not always desirable.

True but with a terrorist controlled government!

David no one as far as I know, certainly not me, has said it would solve the Palestinian "issue" Equally, no one apart from you seems to think that it will be "one step from recognizing Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and all the others as freedom fighters." This is what I think is "tosh".
Many of us have said constantly that it is not possible use military force alone, over 60K dead in Gaza (number is open to dispute but by any reckoning it is a very high number) and still Netanyahu wants to continue the killing of Palestinians without any evidence whatsoever that he is only killing terrorists!
At what point will he stop the carnage? Only when he is made to stop or when there are no more Palestinians left to kill? Personally, I think we should all be looking to find ways to ensure it is the first and not the second. Recognising the State of Palestine is just another way of letting Netanyahu that his plans to annex Palestine will be challenged.

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David49

Recognition gives Hamas massive support, recognition at last for the de facto government run by Hamas.

Did you listen to Lammy’s speech? Doesnt sound like it.

Lammy is a polititian trying to justify both sides

“ no one knows how many Palestinians are Hamas”

We had the same situation in Germany we didn’t know how many were hardcore Nazis, they were absorbed into the population peacefully. The difference is that they were not willing to die for the cause, they accepted defeat, Hamas is not like that they want to die for the cause, and they don’t care how many others die achieving its aims.

We know how difficult it is to fight an enemy who doesn’t fear death, Iraq and Afghanistan proved that.

David49 I agree

I see the Middle East as a powder keg, it’s only the billions of dollars spent by the US supporting Egypt, Jordan and Israel preventing it all exploding. None could resist fundamentalism without it, the half baked bombing of Iran isn’t going to stop them getting nuclear weapons one way or another, then a decision will have to be made by the US, whether to continue or evacuate the Jews

I may be a majority of one but do not believe a compromise will last long.

David49 I agree with your post. The middle east has been a hotbed of unrest for a very long time. It has been made worse by Britain taking over in 1920 and then allowing Jews to settle surrounded by hostile countries. Israel being made a state in 1948 made hostilities even worse.
Iran will be making nuclear weapons.
The ineffective bombing by the US will make them more determined.

Difficult to evacuate a whole nation but I wish Israel could be moved for their own sake as well as others.
I also believe that even if there is a deal for peace it won't last.

End Israel,? it cannot go anywhere else, it is home

Anniebach

End Israel,? it cannot go anywhere else, it is home

They will disperse to whoever will give them assylum, the choice is simple, defeat terrorism or accept terrorism rules the Middle East

Perhaps the UN should get it's finger out, and help distribute the lying in containers.
Yechiel Leiter, Israel's ambassador to the United States, joins "Elizabeth Vargas Reports" to discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and suggests the United Nations is responsible for aid not being distributed due to the NGO's desire to collaborate with Hamas, which Israel is unwilling to consider.

Quote David49 Thu 31-Jul-25 12:50:24
Anniebach
End Israel,? it cannot go anywhere else, it is home
They will disperse to whoever will give them assylum, the choice is simple, defeat terrorism or accept terrorism rules the Middle East

They lived like that for centuries, yet are condemned for wanting/needing to be home

The Jews are God's chosen people.

Jerusalem is God's chosen city.

We really are at End Times if things start happening to Jerusalem.

fancythat

The Jews are God's chosen people.

Jerusalem is God's chosen city.

We really are at End Times if things start happening to Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has been conquered and overrun many times throughout history. About half of whatChristians call he OldTestament is all about that.

Why is this conflict the End of Times🙄

I dont know my Bible History well enough, nor the Bible itself[who does], but there is something about moving things in Jerusalem which will start the chain of events for The End.

Jerusalem was captured by King David (Israel) around 1000 BC
Then taken by

Babylonians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Ottomans
Europeans

None of those have led to the End.

Best to do a bit of research?

You are talking about the Old Testament.

We have been in New Testament times and rules, for 2025 years or thereabouts.
The New Testament rules and words, supercede the Old Testament.

Well, supercedes the bits that were suprceded. If you see what I mean.

But there is a specific part and verses that I am talking about.
Cant find it for now.
But I will!

In the Book of Daniel, the "abomination of desolation" refers to an idolatrous act that defiles the Temple in Jerusalem, causing it to become desolate and unfit for worship. This concept is first introduced in Daniel 11:31 and is further developed in Daniel 12:11. The term is also used in the New Testament, particularly in Matthew 24:15, in reference to events that will precede the end times

Just to add to the concept of the End Days, I taught with someone who firmly believes that if the Israelis/Jews are homed in America, that's it for the world. A case of being careful what you wish for.

Umm the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans were all in “New Testament” times. Ever heard of the Crusades?

You’re thinking of Matthew 24.

Ah well, people will believe anything they want🙄

Foxie is right. But until each side genuinely wants conflict to end, negotiations will fail. Israel's leader Netanyahu is a callous despot whose intention is to destroy Gaza, leaving Hamas with no base. He has no interest in relaxing hostilities. Hamas, much weakened, has its back to the wall and hasn't a lot to lose. It is unclear to what extent Hamas has the interest of the Palestinian people at heart.

The book if Daniel refers to the desecration of the temple by the Babylonians 560ish BC.

You know, the Old Testament that has been superseded according to Christians thought, Although of course it is a Jewish book, not a Christian one.

Not true re the 560ishBC.
See Math 24 and Mark 13 apart from anything else - which are both AD. They talk about something in the future. Not the past.

I am going to agree to differ with you now.
And bow out.
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I can tell when people dont believe btw. They use OT only, and choose to totally ignore the New Testament.

Never let truth get in the way of belief🙄

my unofficial name is, my choice - only two replies
Is that per page or per thread, or per person.
Or am I missing something 🤷‍♀️