Is it allowed?

OP, you say «unintentionally sexist remark» and ask Is it allowed?
I think nowadays people get too hung up on what is allowed instead of thinking «is this right, fair, appropriate?»

Too much IMO seems not to be “allowed” with the implication that if it is allowed, it must be OK.
Well I can think of many instances where a comment may not infringe the PC/inappropriate/ boundaries, but are downright rude and best left unsaid.
But let’s no go down the road of official complaints or censorship, instead of just dealing with it oneself.
If someone takes offence that might be because they are easily offended or it might be because a remark was deliberately offensive. Let’s not lose sight of considering what we as ourselves.
PS if the comment was the one about “ugly birds”, yes, it was crass but hardly n worth clutching my pearls at.

Cossy

It depends I guess whether you think sexist remarks are ok? I don’t!

I guess it comes down to wether you believe in freedom of speech and letting people out themselves, or keep it hidden and never really knowing who a person truly is.

One of the problems is that 'celebrities' spouting sexist (or racist or homophobic) speech on TV programmes will be seen by many impressionable young people. We have a growing issue with teenage boys developing anti women thoughts due to their hero worship of the Andrew Tate type misogynists. Women teachers are finding increasing issues with these boys, and obviously their fellow female schoolmates are suffering from verbal onslaughts too. Say what you want in private but on television hate speech must be carefully monitored as it is feeding hatred that can turn to abuse & murder.

I think simply put, David Haye was talking off the cuff when he was trying to put across that his ex was beautiful to look at, but inside she is ugly. We can all think of something we wish we’d said better—with hindsight.

its all gone too far, we will be born without voices in the fure

Don't watch reality progs so never heard the remark. I would say it shows the people on these shows as what they really are and unfortunately there are many people who look up to and try to emulate these so called celebs.
If you don't like the comments don't watch the programmes, perhaps the fewer people who tune in then the fewer such progs will be aired.

Why object, if you watch that kind of rubbish, be prepared to accept anything.

I’m glad he was allowed to say it because it clearly demonstrated the type of man he is to a large audience. I already thought he was a prick and it confirmed it.

Frankly, I think Dolly believes that anyone who calls her an ugly bird is entitled to do so. I have to agree about that. I mean I can say that they shouldn't, but why should I when she can't be bothered to stand up for another woman? That's her argument after all.

Free speech didn't doesn't mean that we have to live in a society where you can be insulted by anyone who wants to insult you. Dolly is one is the ugly minded brigade who believes that the weak should put up with verbal bullying.

Her own words, not mine!!!

I don’t watch TV, but if you wish to live in a democratic country then freedom of expression is an absolute must even when you don’t like what is said.

DollyD

^Graphite^says:
“As a woman, I claim the right not to have to listen to a man making derogatory comments about a woman’s appearance.”
The point is you haven’t got the “claim to right”, you can disagree verbally when you hear something sexist, you can ignore, walk away but you have no claim or right to restrict what someone says, unless it’s actually illegal.

Absolutely. The Hayes clip was just funny - he was just really clumsy and stupid and kept digging a bigger hole. What he said was actually accurate. For both males and females if you are perceived as less attractive than your good looking friend then you do tend to need to be funnier, wittier, or kinder to get noticed. Some people have to make more effort than others. Sadly it is a fact of life - having watched The Other Bennet Sister this was the case completely. It’s not right or fair but that’s generally the reality.

Sexist comment is never never acceptable. End of story.

what is sexist remark ?

I can't say I was offended, what he said was unpleasant and misogynistic, but as much as he can say it. I have the right to disagree.
What he said was clumsy abd very badly put, but it gave Bev and Charlotte the right to call it out.
To be brutal what he said came across as clumsy and to be honest made him look thick.

I don't really watch any reality tv..hate most of it. We are living in that kind of litigious society now...you can't say anything for fear of offending someone and suing you or taking you to court!!! People need to grow a thicker skin

This man is obviously an insulting
nob and very old school. In that he is still judging women by their looks.
But at least he is being honest.in his ignorance. And sone may say real.

It is still very entrenched unfortunately and has got worst due to on demand porn and idiots like Andrew Tate.

I would be annoyed and angry if he said that about me. But that would be my business and no one else's. And l would not want them to take offence on my behalf.

I live my life based upon my values and experiences.

Do you think this sort of deeply rooted male mind set really went away due to the Woke and Thought Police. Who know better than everybody else about everything. And have the divine right to impose their views

I find the Wokes to be deeply creepy at some level in their judgements. And the way they want to control people's behaviour. Holier than thou. On size fits all

Like a sort of deep gratification and pleasure they obtain through fear and Social Brainwashing.

I think Skinner and Freud would have found them interesting subjects

We have become a Nation of little frightened mice who do not have the courage to speak up and express different opinions.

As the old song used to to go.

It's illegal,immoral or it makes you fat.

We all the right be be offended, but we also have the right to say what we want so long as it's not illegal. I think we've taken it all a bit too far now, if I want to say women are lousy drivers then I can, same for men should be doing the decorating lol if that's sexist and offensive then that's on whoever takes it that way not me.

Interesting point. However if it was a public broadcast to someone who pays a licence fee, then surely she has the right to say that such remarks should not be broadcast.

When did people start worrying over what is 'allowed'? It seems such a playground way to think, and it worries me that we are being infantilised. I know there are those who like to have hard and fast rules, so they know how to stay on the straight and narrow, but isn't it better to think for ourselves?

Of course there are (and IMO there should be) laws against inciting hatred or violence, but otherwise we are 'allowed' to say what we like, just as others are 'allowed' to object. People who consistently make comments that many consider offensive are likely to find themselves without friends, or they will gravitate to likeminded friendship groups where their comments and behaviour are acceptable. Otherwise, odd slip-ups are usually ignored, or a clumsy expression is explained away if it is pulled up. Also, people judge what is acceptable depending on the company - even children know what they can say in front of Granny and what has to be saved for friends only.

What do those wondering about what is allowed think will happen if someone steps over an imaginary line and says something forbidden?

David Hayes doesn't appear to be a i nice human being. Just watching him bullying Adam has shown him up for the nasty piece of work he is. I think the sooner he is tv, the better. I don't think he is a good role model for anyone.

I believe respect for others starts in the home from a young age. Blame the parents. Lots of people think things but wouldn’t say it publicly. Long story short the man is a numpty.

DevonshireSalop

I think simply put, David Haye was talking off the cuff when he was trying to put across that his ex was beautiful to look at, but inside she is ugly. We can all think of something we wish we’d said better—with hindsight.

You have completely got it wrong.
What he inferred was, not such good looking women have to be extra nice to attract a man.
Back in the 60s it was the opinion of a lot of men that the not so good looking women were easy

Kitty55

I believe respect for others starts in the home from a young age. Blame the parents. Lots of people think things but wouldn’t say it publicly. Long story short the man is a numpty.

I’m afraid to say that the views and opinions of their piers at school have far more sway than their parents.