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Banksy and Roo

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Jaxjacky Thu 30-Apr-26 18:28:03

Two news items amused me today, the Banksy sculpture appearing overnight in London, clever team, the subject is not amusing.
The video of Roo on his way to America with the King and Queen to be reunited with his friends.
I’m rubbish at links - sorry

Mollygo Sun 03-May-26 02:14:52

Jaxjacky

I believe he’s responsible for the art Mollygo the team for implementation.

Except that I don’t believe it’s art.

And if the police are letting him/them get away with it unchallenged (see Allira’s comment about security cameras etc. then that makes it worse. Defacing public buildings or spaces is a crime, whether the perpetrators are singular or a team.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-May-26 02:16:18

But I do think it is art.

So who is right?😊

TheSunRisesInTheEast Sun 03-May-26 03:57:34

Art comes in all forms. Think Tracy Emin's unmade bed 🥴.

Personally, I think it's a load of rubbish, but what do I know?!

People create all sorts of things in the name of art. It's a medium that I can't relate to.

My art is painting by numbers, diamond art and magic painting with my granddaughters!!

Each to their own.

Mollygo Sun 03-May-26 10:32:04

Whitewavemark2

With regards to art, it’s right or wrong depending on whether you like it.

With regards to defacing/adding graffiti to public buildings or adding statues where others would have to have planning permission, it’s wrong.

Maybe people can have their views on doing right or wrong, depending on whether you like the person doing the action or not.
That would make life in court interesting.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-May-26 12:16:36

I’m not arguing whether where the art is placed is right or wrong.

I am arguing that it is art.

Wyllow3 Sun 03-May-26 12:40:42

One can love the old masters (and mistresses, btw, as women have often made art but its been ignored quite deliberately by male art historians until relatively recently)

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- I've posted a picture by Artemisia Gentileschi (1593 -1656) who was a celebrated Italian Baroque painter, recognised today as one of the most accomplished artists of her generation, but by no means not the only one: many daughters worked in there fathers studios and their work was attributed to father/husband. One pic is her as artist, but interestingly, she portrays in the other Susanna, in the bible, where the traditional interpretation was that she somehow "lured" men, but here is seen as victim.

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One can love the paintings of yesteryear, becuase the ones that survive in our hearts and memories or in art history books are maybe the best of their time, whereas in our time, we cannot know what will survive into the future as the Zeitgeist of the time.

I have no doubt that Banksy will survive, but probably only the most liked and appreciated, but he'll be classed amongst others who made subversive or sometimes transgressive art, but them this is one of the functions of art in our time.

In the past, most artists only made a living, unless they had private means, by either having a patron whom they had to please, or at least sell art work on the basic of what the rich or perceptive middle classes could afford, or they "starved in a garret" and there work after death gradually started becoming valuable as their particular genre became accessible.

Remember even the impressionists were once very ill thought of at their time - What shocking loose brush work! What vague outlines! How dare they portray everyday themes, not religious or Important Person representations!

Even Turner, whom I imagine we all love, was not at all popular. How vague! The exaggerated colour!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-May-26 12:55:51

People have actually rioted in protest at some creative works.

Wyllow3 Sun 03-May-26 13:14:11

Sorry for the lack of images, I'll try again.

Wyllow3 Sun 03-May-26 13:16:33

I give up - if you are interested, google Artemisia Gentileschi!

Galaxy Sun 03-May-26 13:24:22

I can sympathise with them Whitewave, I feel like rioting every time I visit the baltic centre for contemporary art. If anyone else is in the North East is it just me? I have been visiting for 15 years and in that time have seen 2 exhibitions that move me. I don't feel like this about other galleries.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-May-26 13:53:14

I think that the creator would be pleased. The reason being that the viewer is at the very least interacting sufficiently with the art to feel the need to react.

MawsRosie Sun 03-May-26 17:08:01

Mollygo

Whitewavemark2

With regards to art, it’s right or wrong depending on whether you like it.

With regards to defacing/adding graffiti to public buildings or adding statues where others would have to have planning permission, it’s wrong.

Maybe people can have their views on doing right or wrong, depending on whether you like the person doing the action or not.
That would make life in court interesting.

At what point does a mural become street art become graffiti or vice versa?
I hate the “tags” you see on motorway bridges or beside railway lines, but recognise that the murals on eg the Berlin Wall were not only a political statement but examples of street art.
This Banksy can be seen from D3’s back spare bedroom window and the DHSs love it!
I think it’s very clever too.

MawsRosie Sun 03-May-26 17:08:35

DGS s - Little boys!

Wyllow3 Sun 03-May-26 17:12:33

I bet the shop loves it!

I'm glad you posted that, because Banksy, as well as being controversial has a gentle sense of humour too.

Allsorts Mon 04-May-26 03:10:25

Tracy Emin unmade bed is worth millions. I cannot see that as art or see any point if it but it was judged a winner. I think its a load of nonsense. I don't see the masked men throwing flowers as art but people like it because it sends a message. The message sent doesn't change anything just makes a point. To me its like The Kings New Clothes.but pleases Wylow and others, each to their own. Seeing graffiti on ugly walks brightens and amuses many but I would rather the offending article was made better.
Banksy must have a team who knw who knows who he is organising things,which remais a secret I cannot think how, that,intrigues me.

Allsorts Mon 04-May-26 03:14:09

Maws that's a clever picture, bet the shop owner is pleased.

Wyllow3 Mon 04-May-26 05:34:13

Here's one in a city centre area I found

Wyllow3 Mon 04-May-26 05:36:39

(not Banksy, just an example)

Luckygirl3 Mon 04-May-26 08:49:47

I don't find it hard to see the difference between art on walls and the tagging of teenage gangs.

In my nearest city there is wall art commissioned by the council in underpasses and on the sides of buildings. Pretty standard stuff: local cattle breed, flowers etc. It is all very striking - and huge. That is one type of wall art.

And then there is Banksy: beautifully executed, witty, humourous, often with a very clever political point to make - but uncommissioned. Does that make it vandalism? Does that detract from its value as art, because by any definition is it definitely art? I think the art world has come to recognise his unique talents, not just the technical skill, but the ability to see society in a new way and to inject his quirky sense of humour to make important points about how we relate to each other. I think he is an artist that Britain can be proud of.

JaneJudge Mon 04-May-26 09:09:57

Can’t his project management team be touted out to the NHS and local councils?

Whatever you think of the statue, the execution in in one nighttime is a modern day miracle