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Will it really happen?

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Riverwalk Sat 25-Jun-16 19:33:48

Brexit, that is.

Am I alone in thinking that, for whatever reason, it just won't come about? hmm

A week is a long time in politics - we've had just one day.

JessM Sun 26-Jun-16 18:14:13

Currently the UK border is in France e.g Calais, Eurostar Paris and the French border is in UK, e.g. Dover, Eurostar Waterloo.
So you are likely to have to produce your passport when leaving France.
If the French give us 6 months notice this arrangement is suspended then all you will need is a ticket and if you don't have a passport when you set foot on UK soil you just have to say "I want to claim asylum" The fold on the continent in camps have not yet claimed asylum because they are not in the country of their choice. This is often because they don't speak the language there or they have friends/relatives and somewhere to stay in Germany, UK etc
Its similar between Wales and Ireland but less formal. You just give your ticket at this end and wave your passport at the other. If you are in a vehicle they are not checked at all.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 18:11:23

Should do okay for border control jobs in the UK, though.
Just hope they are not given to G4S. Although, if they are G4S are so hopeless, the asylum seekers will be okay.

Luckygirl Sun 26-Jun-16 18:10:45

Jalima - the sort of shakeup that might result in a "looser trade alliance" sounds just the ticket and what many people have hoped for for a long time.

Welshwife Sun 26-Jun-16 18:08:17

Mamie if the UK controls go at Calais it would be easy for the French to not check passports - and I would not put it past them to have a strike! They would of course need to check passports again at Dover - but what happens to foot passengers?
Also it is relatively easy to get onto a freight train as they have fairly open sides and they may well stop checking so many lorries if the number of customs/ CRS/ Gendarmes etc were cut.
We have only used the Caen crossing for a few years but that ferry area does not seem as big as at Calais- lots of coach loads of foot passengers though.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 18:04:06

It was in the papers yesterday that they are talking about not stopping the asylum seekers going through the tunnel any more.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 17:59:42

That's what happens now, Mamie. I heard someone from Calais saying you wanted out, so leave. We do not have an English border here any more.
The French border control will leave it to the British in Dover. They will not want to keep the asylum seekers there.
The Calais residents will probably chip in, give them some food and a good shower before they accompany them to the ferries.

Mamie Sun 26-Jun-16 17:47:53

Welshwife your passport is always checked. As I posted up thread, at all the French ports apart from Calais it is checked by the ferry company and then French border control. In Calais, it is French, then UK border control and you drive straight off in Dover.
The only place that they used not to check it was Dover on the way out, but that has changed now.
I know of a French lady who went on her honeymoon alone because her husbands carte d'identité was out of date and BrittanyFerries would not let him board. grin

pollyperkins Sun 26-Jun-16 17:47:32

I've signed the petition too. But I don't think it will do any good, sadly!

AlieOxon Sun 26-Jun-16 17:37:50

On light note:

Before it happened I thought Brexit was a cheap morning cereal.

Now I think it's an inferior morning serial..........

Welshwife Sun 26-Jun-16 17:19:27

I see that there has been mention of the Migrants in Calais moving over to Dover - there is a feeling in Calais that the Le Touquet agreement between UK and France should be looked at again and maybe repealed or whatever they do to these things. Then there would be no check by UK border force at Calais and I don't think if you are leaving a country your passport is always checked. The Maire of Calais has before said that she was thinking of buying them all a ticket to cross to Dover and at 35€ each that must work out cheaper than the money it is costing Calais to deal with the mess and problems that the camps cause - the Maire of Dunkirk would probably chip in to the fund too - then there would be one last clear up of the camps.

soop Sun 26-Jun-16 17:07:30

Gracesgran Yay!

Gracesgran Sun 26-Jun-16 17:06:56

3,298,060 signatures

soop Sun 26-Jun-16 17:06:24

chicken grin

chicken Sun 26-Jun-16 16:59:17

There's an old Chinese curse---"May you live in interesting times." I reckon that's what we're living in now!

soop Sun 26-Jun-16 16:57:51

Aww! Come on, let's get signing. I'm in the mood ...grin

Bellanonna Sun 26-Jun-16 16:50:18

Well, so have I soop. I'll join you in the kitchen for some cake later. B****r the ear bashing

whitewave Sun 26-Jun-16 16:49:09

No ear bashing from my soup. Just a big hug.

soop Sun 26-Jun-16 16:48:22

sorry...that was meant to be I've.

soop Sun 26-Jun-16 16:47:41

've signed the petition. Anyone wishing to give me an ear-bashing can find me eating cake in the kitchen.

Beammeupscottie Sun 26-Jun-16 16:11:12

Let Hell break loose. Bring it on I say. Better a dose of quick pain rather than a prolonged dull ache of misery.

mischief Sun 26-Jun-16 16:04:00

If another referendum was held next Thursday I have no doubt the IN campaign would win hands down. So many Brexiters have admitted they didn't think they would win and now that reality is starting to bite, I think they would vote differently.

However, there is not going to be a second referendum. It's a pity that rules like, the majority has to be at least 60%, weren't put into place before last Thursday, but there it is. We can't change the rules just because we don't like the outcome.

Yes, it's going to happen but I think it's a great shame that the fact that the UK was due to take over the EU presidency in July of next year, where we could have started a revolution to change the EU, was not even mentioned (as far as I know) by the IN campaign.

The referendum is not legally binding so our only hope is that parliament don't implement it. Then all hell will break loose.

auntiejantie Sun 26-Jun-16 15:59:45

Is there any harm in trying??? (a petition, that is)

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 15:41:06

Yes Direne they will be booted out unless they can show they are doing a good job of munching your cabbages.
Of course it will happen ( exiting the EU) a petition is futile ( as a Dalek would say.)

Direne3 Sun 26-Jun-16 15:37:59

Forgive my flippancy but does the Brexit leave vote mean that all of the Spanish Slugs will be going home in a couple of years (came back off holiday to find that they've decimated my seedlings).

Beammeupscottie Sun 26-Jun-16 15:14:39

With a bit of luck the approx. 75% of Remainers in Parliament will constantly block this "reform" and kick it in the long grass. Keep your eye on Nicola Sturgeon. There is such anger and disarray in the Country, I cannot see how they can move forward. A Referendum is only a suggestion to parliament - nothing more.