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Arianna Tue 20-Sept-16 18:01:28

Please help, I know I will probably get a roasting from devoted Grandmother's but I need real advice because I'm at my wit's end.
I have 3 grandchildren let's refer to them as J, O and M, 2 boys J and O and a girl M.
My DH and I had 6 boys of our own, they were such good kids, if we took them places they behaved so well. When I look back I think just how lucky we were.
Now I will tell you about my problem.
Every visit from my grandchildren is becoming a nightmare.
The first thing they do is run into the hose, screaming and laughing, that's not unusual you might think, they are excited and pleased to see us but the running around and screaming don't stop for the whole 3-4 hrs they stay, I hardly have chance to talk to them.
I catch hold of their arms they look at me as though they have been traped, I ask hey J come tell Nanna how school was today. J looks at his arms, tears himself from me and runs of.
I then go after him, he runs back into the living room. I say tell me about the story teacher told you today. J looks, he says bananas, I say oh yummy I love bananas especially in a sandwich, he then says to me banana and poo, I say no bananas is nice on its own. J runs of shouting poooo. Now his sister M is running back and forth during this time, screaming, jumping on to the sofa, kicking her feet and knocking over photos I have of them. I say oh be careful we don't want to break your lovely photo you gave me. She turns around and says, poo, she comes to me and she says your bum smells like poo. Her mother just says oh M she's no lady is she and just laughs, all this time DIL just sits on the sofa, telling my son to see where they are.
That's another thing that amazes me, my son who was so sensible has in my opinion been abducted by aliens ( his wife's family) and had his memory totally wiped because everything we taught him has just gone out of the window, his wife and her mum, who I think I should add was a midwife has him totally under their thumb. Oh by the way would a midwife encourage her daughter not to sterilise a new baby's bottles and feed him a full cooked Christmas dinner at just barely 2 months old. Later he had terrible tummy and bowl problems, the doctor thought he was intolerant to lactose but I knew the problem was the way he'd been force fed. Even her mum told her not to tell the health visitor she was feeding him solid foods. I tried to advise but i got, "Oh my mum's a retired midwife so........." yes I'm afraid my advice went in one ear out the other, even though I had 6 very healthy boys.
So back to the mad episode.
Now while J and M are running riot I have the third one O who has a soaking wet nappie that has leaked out on to his trousers and they forgot to bring extra nappies so I go and find an old town and say you can use this to put on him for now, it's old so you can chuck it when you get home. (mentally making a note to buy some nappies just incase this happens again)., well O is absolutely going crazy, starting to bash the radiator with his toy robot, my DH stops him straight away, he now turns around and starts hitting the table I have my glasses on, I grab the robot quick, O screams and we are in a tug of war, I say careful your going to break your robot, he just screams and shouts my robot.
I say stop pulling and I will let go, if you keep pulling you will fall and hurt yourself. I let go he falls, now he jumps up and runs to his mother, looking at me like I'm an ogre.
Meanwhile the other two are running around back and forth the kitchen, I bring them back to the living room and shut the door, they run to open it, I say 'no' they catch hold of the handle and start kicking the door. In all this time their mother just says oh M oh J oh O, she don't get of her bottom to stop them, I stop them and she looks at me like I'm a fussy old spoilsport.
This happens every birthday, holiday, Christmas, anniversary. It is making special days a nightmare.
We used to go down to their house to visit, it was always a strain, there was always toys, dirty nappies, dirty pants, blankets all on the floor, you had to step over everything to get to a chair, I would start picking up everything, my DIL would look like oh my god what is she doing.
When we were visiting it was much easier, I had control on how long we stayed, which was about 1 hr because it's about all I could bear especially when M whispered in my ear "I want you to go home now", the reason being they wanted to watch TV but couldn't because we were there.
Now as my DIL recently passed her driving test, they now come up and visit us and they stay for hours, in fact I have to say, I think the little ones are getting tired, my son takes the hint and says right everyone get your shoes on. Now it's a fight to make them sit and put their shoes on.
Meanwhile, I see my DIL sitting on the hall radiator while she puts her shoes on, I am lost for words, she is about 12 st, the radiator grill is bending under her weight.
They go outside, J starts kicking the porch wall, he then gets put in the car, now M is in the car screaming, O still has his wet his trousers on, now the child car seat is all wet.
They go, we wave, smiling, we go into the house, I cry.
This happens on every visit, it's becoming a nightmare. If only they talked to us, played with toys nicely or sat and read a book with us I would be happy.
This is a time when we should be enjoying our grandchildren, but they are so rude and hyped up every time. We can't enjoy their visits. Before you say it's sugar, they dont have sweets for that purpose but it's not made any difference.
Please help, are we just terrible grandparents feeling this way? I'm at my wit's end.

Battersea1971 Wed 21-Sept-16 17:11:04

I have four small grandchildren so understand where you are coming from. Mine are now getting older and all at school. We found it easier to have the children on their own without the parents and take them out to swings or soft play where they can get rid of their energy. They sound quite young and probably get bored. You set your own ground rules and they soon realise what is acceptable. Also have toys in the house for them. Scout out in the chRity shops and you can pick up toys and games quite cheap. They do calm down as they get older, you may find they are never that interested in talking to you, they have their iPads tv etc so are usually glued to those. If they were rude to me, they would be told in no uncertain terms that they may speak to their friends like that but not to me. You can understand little kids telling each other they smell of poo. I remember my own boys finding lavatorial humour extremely funny when they were little. So, have them on their own, away from parents, and have a good supply of toys. I used to collect babies and clothes and the girls spent ages dressing them. Hope this helps, they will grow out of it.

Rapunzel100 Wed 21-Sept-16 16:59:21

Arianna, your plight has been haunting me since I read it a couple of hours ago. You have had some constructive suggestions and I hope I can add one or two more so that you can take delight in your grandchildren rather than dread their visits. I would be sorely tempted to suggest being a little under the weather and not up to coping with full family visits. However, until restored to full health, you would welcome visits from one grandchild at a time. On those visits, I would plan something special and age- appropriate to do with each child, be it baking, painting, dressing up, building a den, nature walk etc etc . Hopefully, they would quickly come to look forward to special time with granny rather than the chaos you currently endure. Good luck!

lionpops Wed 21-Sept-16 16:53:11

You are not a terrible grandparent. It sounds to me like these children have suffered badly from incredibly bad parenting. It's your house so your rules. You need to start laying them down. It will not get any better and of course you can take them out but that's more problematic in poor weather. A soft indoor play area is a good option.
However they sound very ' hyper' is that from fizzy drinks or to much sugar or is there an underlying medical issue . Find out how they are getting on at school.
Stop DIL turning up unannounced, just be somewhere else.
If all else fails you are going to have to be very clear on rules and boundaries.
As for DIL putting her foot on radiator, just tell her straight.
If you don't sort this out now it will only escalate. Also it is clear that DIL can not manage her children so maybe she needs to go on a parenting course.

LullyDully Wed 21-Sept-16 16:44:11

Have just read this, so sorry for the abuse. You must take the bull by the horns and tell your son they are not welcome while they behave like this. Not acceptable or any use to anyone.

Seasidenana Wed 21-Sept-16 16:28:46

Hi what a nightmare ! I think you do need to be more assertive, in a kind way. For example "here is a chair to sit on while you put your shoes on, sorry I must ask you not to sit on the radiator"

It's quite normal to kindly explain to children that there are different rules in grandparents homes. Be kind but firm. You don't say what you have to play with in your house, but it's possible they are bored and need to be doing something. Could you do some art work with them or provide a dressing up box ?

Kids also need to run off some energy so going out to a park or soft play some of the time might work.

The "poo" talk is to see what you will say. Be very firm and say that is rude and you don't let anyone speak like that in your house. I often say "I'm the nana and I'm the boss around here" the kids like it. They know where they stand.

Jasperis1 Wed 21-Sept-16 16:22:38

May be Arianna arrange to meet in a park or open space where the children can run riot there not in your home. You didn't say how old they are but quite little I think by having one in nappies. Even if Autumn is coming I think I'd rather wrap up and be bit chilly than put up with that. Even a soft play area indoors to meet up where the kids can climb and run off their energy whilst you might be able to sit and watch over them with a cuppa. No way would I want that in my tiny home I'd be beside myself. Good luck.

willa45 Wed 21-Sept-16 16:19:47

So sorry to hear about your naughty grandchildren. I'm exhausted just from reading about it. No need for drastic measures like moving to another planet or ominous interventions. You don't mention their ages, but my own grandchildren were similarly challenging somewhere between those terrible two's and the age of reason. I like what Suzied suggested. Take them to a park or playground where they can expend all that excess energy without trashing your house...and be optimistic. This is just a phase and it too shall pass. Kids have this annoying habit of growing up too fast. You'll probably be laughing about all this in a few years and secretly wishing you could have it all back.

Ilrina Wed 21-Sept-16 16:11:32

F77ms If you are counting me as one of those " opinionated" posters then yes I am, is that not what a discussion and forum is for? or am I mistaken? are we all supposed to just type what the poster wants to see? How very boring that would be. And for the record I post on here exactly how I would say something if I were face to face with the poster.

grannypiper Wed 21-Sept-16 16:09:44

Arianna, i really feel for you, i think you need to have a word in your sons ear. Be brave and tell the children that in your house there are different rules and that running and shouting are for outside and that the next child to lick the door etc will have to go without Christmas presents as they are only for well behaved children. visit the garden centre and buy a length of spiked rebber that is used to keep cats off fences, and lay it on top of the radiator when DIL turns up that will soon stop her from parking he lazy backside on your radiator.Whilst they are there hide the milk so she cant have an other cup of tea, limit her to 1 then usher her out of the door. Good luck, and remember you are not a bad person it your dil who is bad mannered. x

SueDonim Wed 21-Sept-16 16:07:23

Alishka I think we have more science nowadays to back up views on later weaning but yes, the generations continue to do as they wish!

I always say my tribe grew up not because of my skills but in spite of me. And my youngest claims she had to raise herself, being no 4! grin

SwimHome Wed 21-Sept-16 15:45:58

Small point - if they are used to having the TV on at home but are 'not allowed' during visits to or from, it could explain a lot. They perhaps have nothing to attract their attention except to create mayhem and I'm afraid I'd use the square-eyed baby-sitter relentlessly. Blow some people's ideas of good manners, when DH and I visit his parents we all run out of conversation after half an hour and two-day stays without TV are a feat of endurance. When they come to us we eventually put the TV on and suddenly everyone seems at home and we have something to talk about. And we're all adults! Sad I know but give it a try

Alishka Wed 21-Sept-16 15:43:56

sue, smile, I really wasn't expecting anything else!

As to recommending or not, I don't volunteer any opinions at all, tho sometimes I wonder at some current 'in' practices........end of the day, tho, those children will grow up to be adults, have their own children and do their own thing, too. And, surprise! Those children and so on, will be fine also...
T'was always thus.

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Casawan Wed 21-Sept-16 15:37:23

Arianna - I have joined and left this site several times and am repeatedly put off by the horrible few who are bitter, narrow-minded and aggressive - the same names every time. I come back because most posters are lovely and genuinely interesting and helpful. I am cheered to see that some of the worst comments on here have been removed.
Even children we love dearly, can be little monsters and need to be kept in line, taught to recognise boundaries. Grown up children can be lazy, self- centred (or even just exhausted by their own unruly brats). Whatever, you don't deserve this sort of disrespect. Basically you are being bullied by a gang of kids and their lazy, inconsiderate parents so please tell them how you feel. Their attitude really isn't fair because these irresponsible adults are ruining your time with your grandchildren - time you won't get back. I suspect that, like my gdtrs used to do, your g'childre are playing you off against the parents using the 'any type of attention is good' attitude. Try having them, or just the two older ones, without the parents for a couple of hours and use the opportunity to set and enforce the rules. My g'dtrs know my mantra: my house/car/tv, my rules. You might have to persevere for two or three of these visits, but they will adapt in the end.
Just suggestions, but whatever you do, good luck.

Libmoggy Wed 21-Sept-16 15:37:15

It was nothing as bad as your experience and didn't happen so regularly, thank goodness. We used to be visited by a family of four, always accompanied by at least two dogs. Our two cats would somehow know in advance and make themselves scarce. Anything valuable or fragile would be locked away, including the hamster.
They weren't as verbally rude as your horrors, but pretty obnoxious.
We made a point of taking them on picnics and in later life, one told me how fondly she remembered them ☺️They actually turned into pleasant adults

UkeCan61 Wed 21-Sept-16 15:18:40

Oh Arianna poor you. It must be so difficult when the parents aren't backing you up. Our DGC know that we have different rules to the ones they have at home. We are not averse to shouting at them if they are naughty - which actually now is not often as they have learnt what not to do and Granddad and Grandma's house. We don't always agree with our kids/stepkids ways of parenting eg not being firm and 'no' means 'no' but if they come to our house we are firm. If they don't eat their meal they don't get sweet stuff, they must wash their hands after the loo, and no jumping on the furniture. They always try it on more when their parents are around. When I know they are coming I put a pile of colouring and puzzle books on the table and loads of crayons or a big box of lego (I got a load from the car boot) If they're outside I give them big chunky chalks to draw on the paths with. I save cardboard tubes that they can roll things down. I just let them get on with playing. They are all so different too. One DGD never stops talking to us and another 2 are a bit more reserved and it's like pulling teeth! 2 others we don't see often as they live in Ireland but they are quite talkative. We have another baby GD who we don't see at all. Don't feel bad Arianna but just take charge of your own home and lay down rules which must be adhered to. Good Luck ?

SueDonim Wed 21-Sept-16 15:09:25

Alishka, he's fine! A bit of a foodie, actually. He's asthmatic but then all four of mine, inc the ones who were fully breastfed, are asthmatic so I don't think there's anything to be learnt there. Early weaning isn't something I'd recommend, though.

icanhandthemback Wed 21-Sept-16 14:57:44

I have some grandchildren who sometimes are full of energy, say silly things and can be careless of my things but it is usually when their parents are around. However, I treat them the same way I did my kids with firmness and kindness so they are usually co-operative for me even if they don't respond to their parents. One thing I have found, is that they are beautifully behaved when their parents aren't around.
Your DIL sounds tired out so perhaps you could offer to have one or two of the kids every now and again to see if you could get to know the children better and they will probably behave so much more nicely for you. Taking them out also gives you opportunities to find out what they like so you will be interacting with you without showing off in front of their siblings.
I don't think talking to the parents will do the slightest good but will be more than likely to alienate them. Offering instead to support them so they get some rest is more likely to help rather than split the family.

narrowboatnan Wed 21-Sept-16 14:53:58

Sadly I think that Arianna has gone, and I can't say I blame her. I would have been put off by Pollengran's comments too.

Arianna, if you do come back and find my offering, I would just like to say that your GC need a firmer hand than you have hitherto been giving. If their parents are not going to put behavioural guidelines in place when they come to visit, then you really should. At the moment they are testing you, using rude words like 'poo' to get a reaction. So, no more Mrs Nice Guy!

Peewww Wed 21-Sept-16 14:51:51

We have exactly the same problem with our three, a 14 yr, 12yr and 8yr old. I agree it's bad parenting and a society that doesn't asked for respect and good manners. Ours go to private school and have a great life. The problem seems to be that when they visit the have nothing to do. Last time they brought a game but were more interested in arguing and fighting than playing. I gave up in the end. The parents don't seem to care. I think they tried to enforce rules in the past but it was too difficult so they gave up. We have a race of feral children

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Alishka Wed 21-Sept-16 14:29:21

Dunno, suedonim, how's the child now? (Genuine question, btw) any adverse affects from early weaning, etc?

MaggieMay60 Wed 21-Sept-16 14:27:13

Arianna, I Sympathise, I would however tell them off if they misbehave, I have a saying Grandmas House, Grandmas Rules, this covers giving them treats if they deserve it and being strict with them if they are behaving badly. You have a right to expect manners and good behaviour when they come to visit you. I tell my GCs off if I decide they need it, whether it vexes or pleases. You could also pin your Son and DiL down to a time and then make sure that you have an appointment in an hours time so that the visit is a short one.flowers

SueDonim Wed 21-Sept-16 14:03:09

My first child was born in the mid-70's. The Health Visitor had me feeding him with baby rice etc from six weeks and he was weaned off bottles and onto cows milk and a cup by six months.

I didn't know any better then so just did as I was told. Shortly afterwards, the HV left her position to go and breed horses in Suffolk - a job I now suspect she was better suited to doing than advising young mums! hmm

Alishka Wed 21-Sept-16 13:54:33

phoenix I've just read the thread. Totally agree with you.

OP, everything you've written I totally believe. flowers for you.

Agree with the suggestions that you only meet the family en bloc at a playground, etc., that all visits atm are for you to visit them, so that you're in control of when you choose to exit,and also that you offer to have the children visit you one at a time , could well be that individually you can enjoy them

Just...please don't ask what they did At school, etc., that day. They might open up and volunteer info while they're doing other stuff, there again they may not. (Memories of hanging around the coldest street corner in W.Europe waiting for the school bus to arrive. When it finally did and child was decanted, I asked "so what did you do at school today?" Answer = blank stare and "*what school?" ) grin lesson learned that the lad was growing up and having a life completely separate from ours, for him to share - or not.

The food business, tho..changing times and expectations.. Yep, DS, born in '70.had 'our' food sometimes at 3 months. except Gerber banana+pineapple, didn't quite manage to feed it to him. I'd scoffed the lot! Bloody delicious, that was.