French Election

We got over that bit Nana - why bring it up again?

We got over that bit Nana - why bring it up again?
Perhaps Nana191729 has only just joined the thread Welshwife.
Perhaps it will stay more civilised now

Maybe she had but my remark is still pertinent - I needed to go back several posts to see what she referring to.

So too is my remark pertinent Welshwife - at any time. The undignified remarks arise frequently and are unnecessary.

I am a bit bemused about Macron being described as not from the establishment. Sciences Po and ENA. Really?

I also think that with Juppé and Valls supporting him that Macron will be able to get sufficient support from to form a government.
Just out of interest do people think Sunday elections would be a good idea in the UK?

mamie I think he is very much from the establishment. In fact he seems in some way like a French Tony Blair.

Yes.

That was in response to Mamie's question about Sunday elections.

Nana191729 could always start her own very civilised thread, and only invite civilised people to comment, digest and respond in a civilised manner.

That shouldn't be necessary!!!

I second that POGS

I think Macron will win, the people are voting for an outsider, a change in French politics.

Quite understandably I think the French people have taken such a battering from the terrorists that they think a change of government might offer more security, and no one could blame them for that.

I think he will win roses but I don't think it is as simple as that. I think Fillon was set for victory before the financial scandal. I think the PS are very unpopular after Hollande and Hamon was the wrong candidate. I had to teach my English class the phrase "least worst option". I think that describes how quite a lot of people think.

I honestly don't think it is about "more security". I think people recognise that terrorism is a very complex problem and one that has much to do with France's colonial past.

Although Marine Le Pen has been in politics for some years she has never been in Govt. Macron was a finance minister in Hollande's Govt.
Their ideas are completely opposite so will be interesting to see if he does get elected.

Interesting that Jupeé was out of it all so early when he had looked quite strong at one point.

I don't particularly think of Macron as an Outsider. He was in government after all under Hollande as a Socialist Party member.

I am interested to see how he forms his party, with whom and if they are , dare I say it, from his old party for the most part , the Socialist Party.

I think under Macron it could well turn out to be the same old, same old but under a different banner.

He was only in the socialist party for three years though POGS. He wasn't in the party when he was a Minister. I think Tony Blair is probably about the nearest match in outlook and policies but that isn't remotely left-wing in France.

He is left wing compared to our Government, as is Merkel and most of the European governments.

Mamie

I thought Macron held government positions with both Holland's and Manuel Valls.?

Have I made a mistake?

I thought it was just Hollande.

I have just picked up on this thread, and been watching the French newscasts since late last night. Juppe was considered too old to be president, so much for saying Macron is too young! (and radicalnan, we have had a very good winter with lots of sun, and a hot spring so Macron and his wife wouldn't have needed sunlamps!) I am so fingers crossed that it will be Macron, I think he will but weren't we all so wrong about Brexit and Trump! Macron now has the backing of Bayrou, Hamon and Fillon, plus Valls and Juppe, so across the board. It would be difficult to think he won't win.

Le Pen only has two FN seats in the Assemblie Nationale, so in the parliamentary elections in June she is not likely to do at all well, thus if she were to be President then her excesses would be curtailed by parliament, similar to Trump in US.

We are on the borders of Aude and Ariege, one is FN and the other Melanchon. I'm keeping my head down!!

POGS he was in the socialist party from 2006-2009 and then resigned. He was a minister during Hollande's presidency, but was brought in from outside. He put through some business reforms which were unpopular (but necessary in my opinion). He resigned in 2016 to form En Marche. He is thought to get on with Prime Minister Valls who is now supporting him.
I guess it is a bit like the UK government bringing in ministers from business and industry.