Theresa May

Of course they know what Marxism is. This accusation that the young support Corbyn because they don’t understand anything is so patronising. They support Corbyn because they’re sick of the same old politics from self serving politicians on both sides of the house, more interested in their own careers than changing anything for the better. It’s their future, not ours, and I’m glad they are beginning to realise there is a better way and to feel hope once more, just as we did at their age.

It isn’t clear that they do understand the concept from the way they use it in various conversations.

The post war social contract held until Thatcher, I am surprised that you are simply equating it to the Attlee government.

I think your argument relating to the Thatcher era and wilderness years is too simplistic.

Any Tory MP was free to stand as leader of the Tory party with enough support from fellow MP's, Corbyn was able to stand with the lowest support of fellow MP's, he won on the union vote as did Ed Milliband.

I am quite sure the majority who are members of this forum know what they are talking about when they speak of Marxism. It is the young voter who hasn't the foggiest what Marxism is , this is why Corbyn drew in the youth vote, promised so much which he will not deliver. The new members support the Corbyn-Momentum party .
The country only stayed with the Attlee government for one term then went back to the tories.

The longest post war labour government was the centre left Labour Party.

The longest time in the wilderness for the Labour Party was following a far left attempt to take power.

Um correct me if I misunderstood, but I thought May was a shoe in without anyone in the Tory party being able to vote one way or the other?

We don't elect a PM, we elect a leader of the party we belong to.

Love the way concepts like Marxist are thrown into the discussion when it is clear that the poster hasn’t a clue what they are talking about. Undoubtedly when Corbyn first became leader many labour MPs distanced themselves from his policies. But in reverse of Mays e perience, and what they all know,nothing breeds popularity like success.

Success is having the biggest party membership ever in the UK and indeed Europe, success is coming from 24 points down in the polls and despite a horrifically hostile press managed to ensure that the Tories are unable to govern as they would like. So then you see MPs coming to heel as we did during the Labour Party conference.
Conversely only 100 Tory MPs even bothered to turn up at the Tory party conference, it was the most boring conference ever. The only little bit of excitement was Johnson that snake in the grass with crass bad manners -giving a speech that said nothing and meant nothing.

The Tory party is being totally self indulgent, and has been since this mess started as a result of trying to get rid of UKIP by a weak PM with very poor judgement. We had an unelected PM forced on us whose chief quality was apparently her inscrutability. Certainly not her ability.
We are facing the biggest disaster about to be visited on the UK with a government full of second or third rate ministers who don’t appear to be able to negotiate their way out of a paper bag, and already seem to be trying to blame Brussels.

History will show that the Tory party was the worse thing ever to happen to the UK. From the trashing of the post war social contract, to the insistence that they know best when it comes to the economy and capitalism and then forcing austerity on the poor and middle classes whilst introducing low taxes and ensuring that the wealthy thrive without having a stake in our society by paying their fair share.

We are now facing a low productivity, low wage and of course once Brexit is completed a low regulation economy.

Ah you will say but it is worth it for gaining our sovereignty.
What sovereignty has the poor ever had? How different will your experiences be? What a load of rubbish.

Nightowl, Corbyn was challenged, May has not yet been.

Our best most experienced MP's left front line politics when Corbyn became leader. His shadow cabinet is made up of newbies with the exception of a few very close friends of many years. Plus Thornberry who wants to be leader.

When Corbyn took over, hundreds of Labour MP’s almost reached the point of breaking away and forming another Party, nobody wanted to serve on his shadow cabinet because for the good of the Party they could see that handing the reins of power to an old backbencher Marxist was a bad idea.?and it still is!
But nightowl thinks it was their personal ambition no doubt, now that’s a real joke.

True lemon, Corbyn couldn't even form a full shadow csbinet

So, what’s new? politicians always act like this, sometimes for the good of the Party ( like those hundreds of Labour MP’s who distance themselves from Corbyn)

Thanks for giving me a good laugh this morning lemongrove. I almost choked on my cornflakes

So, what’s new? politicians always act like this, sometimes for the good of the Party ( like those hundreds of Labour MP’s who distance themselves from Corbyn) sometimes from personal ambition.
Since there is no obvious successor to May, then hard to see what can be achieved.

Very self-indulgent of the Tory party to be heading for yet another leadership challenge and possible General Election - how much Brexit time do they want to waste?

The chips are down because like crows they are all in the wings waiting to pounce and eat the bones dry There is no such thing as loyalty to each other in politics She will be hung out to dry by her own..... Labour don’t need to do it it is being done for them

Gove was the only cabinet minister that went to see Boris's speech at the fringe, so he's hedging his bets, too.

I don't think the cold, in itself, was the problem. In the past - apparently - in Cameron's team, for instance, would make sure he was not doing too many interviews so that his voice was not in danger. The feeling is that the organisation behind the PM is poor and that reflects on her as she put it in place. Everyone is allowed to have a cold

Isn't she allowed to have a cold? Obviously not.

The knives are now officially out. Just heard Grant Shapps saying he's collecting names to persuade her to go, followed by Michael Gove saying she should stay.

I'm sure TM is thrilled to have Gove at her back

All parties do it. Clegg and tuition fees before Corbyn and tuition fees.

Corbyn adopted a policy that was brought in by the Welsh Labour Party which is a section of the Labour Party i.e. all batting for the same team. May, whether she took the idea from Corbyn or Welsh Labour, is adopting policies from a rival Party.

And Corbyn pinched it from Welsh labour Jen, perhaps May pinched it from Welsh labour too .

My experience teaches me not to believe anything any of them promise! If anybody has a list of manifesto promises that have actually taken place, from any party, I will stand corrected.

I agree that nothing that happened on that stage was her fault (or could it have been orchestrated for sympathy! Cynical... moi?)

Let's face it nobody wants to be the one that takes us out of Europe so there will not be a queue for her job any time soon! It's a no win situation! She could resign due to ill health of course.

"The business secretary has said the government had a “duty to act” to stop energy companies overcharging customers, suggesting households will start to benefit this winter.

Asked on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme whether the proposed energy price cap would be imposed on energy companies this winter, Greg Clark said: “Consumers who are suffering a detriment … could receive early relief for that.” "

What happened to the free market?
Half her speech was about that.

What about student debt, housing, mental health and energy prices?
Nothing to say about those?

You should be pleased, Annie. May pinched it from Corbyn.

Wales has had the organ donation opt out in practice for two years, now Corbyn is thinking of it ?