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abuse shouted at me because I use a mobility scooter.

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Caroline2016 Wed 09-May-18 12:08:35

I wondered if there are any other mobility scooter users on the forum ? I ( a very careful driver ) have had to use a scooter since 2011 , I have bad problems with my back due to 29 years of caring for my late husband also problems with my legs resulting from being crushed against a wall by a vehicle , I am getting really fed up with abuse and nasty comments made to me eg , oh here comes Madge , after the Benidorm character , are you safe on that thing or you are just lazy. etc , I would be interested to know if other people suffer from this and how do they react to it , ignore it or retaliate ,
What surprises me most is that the worst offenders are people aged 60+ have they never heard of the Discrimination Against Disabled act ?
I have to say that I get no problems at all with young people ,
20 months ago I moved from a town , to a small village where I thought it would not be a problem but it is almost as bad.

knspol Thu 10-May-18 12:05:12

I think part of it is just a lot of people nowadays showing a total lack of respect for others. It has to be the way they have been brought up or led to believe they have priority over everyboby else, the 'me' society. Just returned from a trip to the far east where I was offered a seat on every underground and bus trip, doors were held open for me - total respect for the elderly and presumably for each other too.

HunnyBunny Thu 10-May-18 11:55:47

I have Spina Bifida and as I age, my condition is slowly getting worse. I have arthritis in both knees and both ankles are slowly turning in.
My husband got me a mobility scooter,mostly for days out and weekends away.
I must admit, as lovely as it is to use, I feel a bit stupid sitting in it. I have never had anyone comment (yet), but I do get the looks.
I am always with my husband and he has told me that no one would get away with it if anyone was to say something to me.
I have also had dirty looks when I have had to use a disabled toilet. I self catheterise. You would never know by looking at me there was anything wrong.
It is true, I think, that if are a wheelchair user, people are more sympathetic, but if you use a scooter then you must be lazy.

Cabbie21 Thu 10-May-18 11:53:29

Far less money is “lost” in fraudulent benefit claims than is withheld from those whose disability benefits have been stopped or reduced. The expense of administration, assessments, tribunals is colossal.
Why can’t a consultant’s word be believed, rather than an assessor’s, who meets a disabled or sick person for 30 minutes, ticks a few boxes, refuses to listen to explanations, in order to disqualify a deserving case?
It is unfortunate that the fraudulent few give genuine claimants a bad press.

mabon1 Thu 10-May-18 11:52:50

some users think they own the pavement and go charging on without a care for pedestrians, old, young or mums with pushchairs, so you are not all saints

GabriellaG Thu 10-May-18 11:31:36

I think it's only right that ALL recipients of ALL benefits have their cases regularly and rigorously assessed.
Has anyone read the case reported yesterday in MailOnline?
It cites an EU national who came here in 2011, refused leave to remain, married a British citizen and claimed housing and housing benefit plus council tax paid, PPI, disability benefits, carers allowances and other benefits MULTIPLE times, using MULTIPLE false IDs over 7 years. Altogether, he received hundreds of thousands of pounds of government money.
That is why we need to have stringent rules and in depth investigations. One can't assume that people tell the raw truth. We've seen the tv programmes showing fraudsters turning up in court on a mobility scooter or crutches to answer charges relating to fraudulently obtaining benefits, having been filmed working as a roofer or playing golf (with a bad back) and women too, carrying bags of shopping and working in a hairdressers standing all day.
The benefit pot is finite. We are a generous nation but the few will always spoil it for the many and that goes for every sector, not just benefits and disabilities.

Growing0ldDisgracefully Thu 10-May-18 11:31:08

What a sad world it is that genuinely disabled people have to have a set of responses ready to justify their rightful use of facilities they need. I suspect in part this is because other disabled folk are often in competition with able-bodied people who abuse the disabled parking available.

In relation to hate statements or actions regarding disability, these can be classed as hate crime so possibly victims of this behaviour could report this to the police.

On the other hand, my late father-in-law was an absolute terror on his mobility scooter and would deliberately ram his scooter into people's legs if they were in his way, particularly at the supermarket!

I have a visible disability, though not thankfully affecting my mobility so have been on the receiving end of unwelcome comments about that.

I do have great respect for those who use mobility scooters - I ride a motorbike so am used to the facility of efficient brakes. However when my Mum was alive I was trying to park a mobility scooter we had hired at the garden centre and found the perishing thing had no brakes, and pulling on the lever which would have been brakes on the bike, actually activated the motor on the scooter, and I nearly backed the perishing thing into a wall! Lethal!

Dianic Thu 10-May-18 11:28:01

It's a very emotive subject, isn't it? My hubby uses a self-propelling sport wheelchair which was made specifically for him and he's often knocked by able-bodied people when we're out and about, as well as having been almost knocked out of his chair by a couple of mobility scooter users. So, we are very careful...

As far as the disabled parking spaces go, he regularly gets abused by "older" people because of the way he looks (tattoos covering both arms from his RN days!) before they even look to see if he has a blue badge.

However, the most judgemental people we've encountered were during a GP visit recently! I am DH's carer, but I had a heart attack 4 weeks ago and whenever we go to the GP or hospital for my appointments, everybody assumes it's HIS visit/appointment because he's the one in a wheelchair - so yes, I am really sympathetic to those who have invisible disabilities, health conditions, etc.

I do feel for you Caroline - you must have developed a rhino hide by now! It's a weird world we live in nowadays.... "live and let live" seems to have gone out the window sad

Silverhippy Thu 10-May-18 11:26:56

I am blind and carry a long white stick to enable me to keep check of the surface I am attempting to walk on. I have on a number of occasions been verbally abused "get out the way you blind Brastud!" "Your eyes look perfectly normal to me so you can't be blind!" My optic nerves are non functioning so of course my eyes look fine. I have also on a number of occasions been physically abused and pushed out of the way and even punched in the face to test if I could see the punch coming!

The people who have done this have been of all ages and all backgrounds including a disabled person who hit me with his crutches shouting "you aren't effing disabled!"

The strangest abuse was from a woman on a bus who told me to move out of the front disabled and elderly seat so her dog could sit on it and look out of the window! The driver intervened and warned her he would throw her off the bus if she persisted.

It is a nightmare to go anywhere at busy times of the day, so thank goodness many shops now open at 6:00 am and online shopping is available to me.

quizqueen Thu 10-May-18 11:25:51

On the other side of the argument, I do think that any mode of transport which uses the public highway ( that includes motorised disability scooters, bikes and horses) should be licensed with identification plates or ID like cars and require insurance. Then if there are any accidents the victims have some come back especially as disabled drivers ride them on the footpath too and some think they have right of way. Also, horse riders and cyclists often seem to ride in pairs taking up one side of the carriageway.

micmc47 Thu 10-May-18 11:12:45

It's a stretch to suggest that "the Government" are responsible for the attitude of a few mindless morons who don't have the imagination to realise that there are many forms of disability, some of which don't necessarily advertise themselves. Those responsible for such abuse are beneath contempt, and should simply be ignored. Sheer ignorance.

caocao Thu 10-May-18 11:06:38

Having had my colon removed in 2001 I was advised to apply for a RADAR key (which I never did) and told that I was entitled to use all disabled toilets due to the need to have access to water. As I was only late 30s, mobile and have no signs that I am anything other than able bodied so I was rather worried that I may be frowned upon. I do my utmost to avoid needing to visit the loo for anything other a wee when out and about and in the 17 years I have only needed to do so 4 times. The first 3 times I was tutted at and reprimanded when I came out and someone in a wheelchair was waiting. So the last time I had to use one and opened the door to a very elderly man with his wife in a wheelchair I launched into a pre-emptive strike explaining that I had a hidden disability, but he was absolutely lovely and was surprised that I felt I needed to justify my use of the disabled toilet!

MaggieMay69 Thu 10-May-18 11:04:09

My son in his 30's was given a mobility scooter because he was born with Talipes (club foot as its coined). He looks young and healthy, however, he has had so many operations on his foot, his bone has worn away, and his foot and ankle is held together with metal pins. He is in agony after walking for a couple of minutes or more, and the abuse he gets for parking in disabled bays is unreal. Its a sad world we live in sometimes. x

jacig Thu 10-May-18 11:02:42

I am the same paddyane, I also suffer with fibro plus other conditions, fibro always needs company. I have a sticker on my car reminding people that not all illness are visible. Out with my aunt one day and parked in a disabled space an older man said I was lucky to park so close to the shops, she rounded on him asking what was so lucky being disabled at 45yrs, exit one man with his tail between his legs. I have also a notice on the front door informing people there is a disabled person inside, and no cold callers, it really works.

Susan56 Thu 10-May-18 11:00:23

Paddyann my daughter too has an invisible illness and has suffered a lot of verbal abuse when parking using her blue badge.Her response is usually that she would rather be healthy and not need the blue badge and even though she comes across as strong these incidents always leave her shaken.We would both love to support your daughters campaign if you could let us have a link to it.Thank you.x

SunnySusie Thu 10-May-18 11:00:21

We had a positive experience when Mum used a mobility scooter to take her little dog out for a walk. The dog was a bit scared of the scooter and a lady a few doors away, who didnt know Mum at all, watched her going past for a few days and then offered to help with walking the dog if Mum ever felt she couldnt manage. Mum was a bit of a recluse and very isolated so she didnt take up this offer immediately, but the lady was often in her front garden (probably on purpose) and would say hello as the mobility scooter went by every afternoon. To cut a long story short, eventually help was accepted and the wonderful stranger became a friend and incredible support to Mum in her last couple of years. I really dont know what the family (who mostly lived at a distance) would have done without her.

Nannan2 Thu 10-May-18 10:44:09

Yes me too!ive got severe osteoarthritis&a few other medical/health problems(mostly mobiltiy related)and have aquired a disabled parking permit this yr and my son is now a driver (with his own disability)so when we go anywhere we get a lot of this.No ones ever shouted at us outrite yet thankfully-but one ELDERLY lady came and gaped right in the windcsreen to check we had a blue badge-seemingly simply because she& her husband had walked straight across the parking space my son was trying to enter to get to their own car with their shopping trolley.my son had waited patiently and didnt beep them or anything-he's a careful driver) but because hes a young driver and im a youngish-looking 54(i hope!)she obviously thought she had more right of way than we had! We've had a few do this like theyre 'checking' we are entitled to the space! My older son gets it too-and its my younger grandson whose got the disabilty-so folk look at my son as though theyre not 'entitled'- its no one elses buisness why you need it but apparently everyone else who uses these spaces/or scooters etc seem to make it their buisness to 'vet' you! I wouldnt mind as much,except I dont care about THEIR reasons,its their own buisness!

mostlyharmless Thu 10-May-18 10:42:07

The Government set targets for staff to reject 80% of appeals.

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has been accused of setting an "outrageous target" that staff should turn down four out of five benefit appeals. The Independent

There was an outcry from disability groups and the official targets have recently been abandoned thankfully. It’s still a disgraceful system that keeps reviewing disabled and long term sick benefit entitlement. It puts unbearable stress on already vulnerable people.

peaches50 Thu 10-May-18 10:41:49

Bit of a rant there 123coco? Remember the 'government' is represented by 'people' many who are brilliant but some who have prejudices and are fallible - so if you come across injustice complain and take it up higher. Get your MP to investigate, write to Jeremy Hunt - amazing how that gets an answer at least. Hope you sister gets some restitution but don't forget advocates like Citizen's Advice and Age UK or even Carers UK who can advise. Will your doctor write a letter disputing this?
My husband and I dont use scooters but we do travel in his van (which he kept when he retired) as it is easier to get in and out than the car after my total knee replacement (not good) and his terminal cancer/arthritis which affects his knee joints. He has a disabled badge but the filthy looks and mutterings we get - yes usually from elders can be horrid - I usually ignore but when one plonker wound down his window and shouted 'oi you're using a space I cdl as I AM disabled ' I sweetly smiled and replied 'Be delighted to give it to you if in return you get my husband's lung cancer'. Red face tutting from bystanders and hopefully gave him a lesson in manners and not being so judgemental.

ReadyMeals Thu 10-May-18 10:40:25

Most of the people calling out these comments probably think they're just doing a bit of friendly teasing. I can understand why it's getting on your nerves but if you bear in mind they probably don't realise it's upsetting you, it might be easier to bear.

Marieeliz Thu 10-May-18 10:38:12

I do sympathise but these scooters seem to be getting larger. In my local small town they go, at speed, out of shop doorways, I have almost been knocked down a few times. The user is a youngish person though.

Jazzy1527 Thu 10-May-18 10:37:32

Paddyann, I totally agree with the Invisible Disability campaign. My sister came to visit me by train. She had advanced breast cancer and looked ok but was very weak. Travelling home with a heavy suitcase which she could hardly lift, I told her to go through the ‘disabled’ turnstile. When she tried to she was shouted at by a young female attendant who shouted ‘youre not disabled. Go through the proper turnstile’. She was so embarrased she did not correct the woman. This was the last time I saw her and she died a couple of weeks later. It still infuriates me. Never judge unless you know the situation.

blueberry1 Thu 10-May-18 10:35:19

Eglantine there is a speed limit of 4mph for scooters on pavements and 8mph for roads.

Pammie1 Thu 10-May-18 10:34:04

I am unable to walk at all due to congenital disabiliy. I swapped from a mobility scooter to an outdoor powered wheelchair. I had abuse hurled at me regularly whilst on the scooter, but since opting for a wheelchair people are very courteous and helpful.

Lilyflower Thu 10-May-18 10:33:18

It is hardly the government's fault if people are rude. Or rather, only indirectly. When I was younger there was an unspoken rule that everyone was kind and caring towards the disabled and disadvantaged.

Recently however, various parliamentary acts conveying special privileges to particular groups seem to have made these groups a target for public ire. With 'equality' come changes both welcome and unwelcome.

blueberry1 Thu 10-May-18 10:33:10

As a mobility scooter user,I am appalled to hear of this abuse Caroline2016.I have never had any remarks or insults thrown at me.I drive with care and consideration and find that people are generally very kind-car drivers wave me across the road and people will move obstructions on pavements or in supermarkets if they see me struggling to get past.
Perhaps it just depends on where you live!