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Riverwalk Sat 20-Jul-19 16:08:06

I've noticed that the Swedish-owned tanker is now described as 'British-flagged', as opposed to British.

The business of flagging vessels is murky, often flags of convenience e.g. Liberia and Panama.

I'm just wondering what makes this tanker 'British'?

suziewoozie Mon 22-Jul-19 14:08:23

Gone British flagged simply means the ship is registered in Britain

suziewoozie Mon 22-Jul-19 14:07:24

You are probably right merlot. So if something goes wrong and British sailors are killed, their widows will be proud of the sacrifice their husbands made protecting a ship owned by an obscenely wealthy Swedish family and crewed by non British sailors. It’s damn disgraceful.

merlotgran Mon 22-Jul-19 14:00:46

I wouldn't mind betting that the main reason for registering a ship in the UK is because the Royal Navy will be called upon to protect them if and when they run into trouble.

This is apparently being discussed in COBRA today (according to the Jeremy Vine show)

Worrying times for family merlot with DSiL's deployment to the Far East beginning in a fortnight. Highly likely they won't get that far.

Gonegirl Mon 22-Jul-19 13:45:05

I still believe that no one on this earth knows what this British/whatever country flagged, is all about.

Gonegirl Mon 22-Jul-19 13:41:12

With Theresa holding a meeting with COBRA today, I hope she writes it all down to give to Boris.

Callistemon Mon 22-Jul-19 13:24:21

I read that most of the oil which travels through the Straits of Hormuz is bound for the Far East.

Any further disruption to shipping there by Iran could cause world-wide problems.

EllanVannin Mon 22-Jul-19 13:15:09

I think it's disastrous that our armed forces have been depleted. Another fine mess orchestrated by airheads in Government. Why do they think they know it all ??

EllanVannin Mon 22-Jul-19 13:11:36

We have our Navy to protect shipping as they're always strategically placed around the world.

POGS Mon 22-Jul-19 12:50:37

Luckygirl Sun 21-Jul-19 21:33:28

"Sunday paper analysis is that this was set up by US and they are rubbing their hands together with glee that we are getting dragged in. Still - not to worry - we will have BJ at the helm. hmm"
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Do you believe the United States ' told ' Iran to set the ' Grace 1 ' on course to sail around Europe carrying a cargo of oil to be impounded at Gibraltar on the grounds of suspicion of breaking the EU sanctions against Assad?

Do you think the Americans also ' told ' the Iranian Guard to target a ' British flagged' tanker so the USA could ' rub it' s hands in glee '?

Presumably your post is agreeing with the newspaper you refer to which believes this is all a US conspiracy.

suziewoozie Mon 22-Jul-19 12:08:08

The more I think about this the more puzzled I get. My guess is that it suits the Swedish owners financially to register here ( cheaper/ lower standards of employment / health and safety?) But does anyone else think it’s a damn cheek that registration includes the protection of the Royal Navy, putting our sailors at risk and our country into a potential war situation?

maddyone Mon 22-Jul-19 11:57:30

Thank you Ellan.
Suzie, interesting questions, but I don’t know the answers. Maybe someone else does.

suziewoozie Mon 22-Jul-19 11:44:13

This is probably a really silly question but why isn’t the Swedish owned Stena tanker registered in Sweden and they could then use their navy to protect it? How much money does it bring in to the UK when a ship is registered here and does that cover the cost of defending it?

EllanVannin Mon 22-Jul-19 11:25:52

Yes it is maddyone as many Stena tankers are registered elsewhere in the world. The crew aren't British.

maddyone Mon 22-Jul-19 11:21:08

I understand it may have been registered in Britain. Is that enough to make it British?

maddyone Mon 22-Jul-19 11:19:34

Going back to the OP, I don’t understand what makes this tanker British myself. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

Callistemon Mon 22-Jul-19 10:23:55

crystaltipps if you did not think that the original contentious post deserved criticism then does that mean you somehow agreed with it?

EllanVannin Mon 22-Jul-19 07:52:14

Whatever this country is or appears to be by some it's far richer than the countries which people flee from to come here ! It must be manna from Heaven to them.

crystaltipps Mon 22-Jul-19 07:19:41

chewbacca I just get fed up with people who, when anything remotely critical about the U.K. is said, reply with” why do so many people risk their lives trying to get here if it’s so dreadful etc.” This doesn’t address the point about the colonial past or the push factors involved in migration, ( which was nothing to do with the original point ) and tries to discredit/ ignore the original criticism.

Callistemon Sun 21-Jul-19 22:44:19

Chewbacca grin

crystaltipps you are obviously putting your own mores and interpretation on Chewbacca's post.
Why not take issue with the poster who started this with their very odd post?

Chewbacca Sun 21-Jul-19 22:16:13

Cystaltipps, I imagine people want to come to the UK for the very same reasons that you have. Personally, I don't have any objection as to who comes here; it isn't something that bothers me one way or the other. And why do you think it's relevant or necessary to to tell me They don’t all come here btw. Is there something in my post that suggests that I think they do? Or are you just looking for someone to fall out with and you picked me?

For the avoidance of doubt, or because you possibly misread my original post at 11.13 today I said "I echo a previous poster who wondered why, if we are such an unpleasant nation as olderthanmost says, why are so many people desperately trying to come here"?

Why has that prompted you to grill me on why people are escaping war torn countries? And what other reason would they have for leaving their home countries if it wasn't in search of a better life?

You clearly have an axe to grind but it isn't with me. Jog on.

crystaltipps Sun 21-Jul-19 21:50:50

chewbacca why do you think people want to flee war torn or poverty stricken countries then? Possibly to get a better life? They don’t all come here btw.

Luckygirl Sun 21-Jul-19 21:33:28

Sunday paper analysis is that this was set up by US and they are rubbing their hands together with glee that we are getting dragged in. Still - not to worry - we will have BJ at the helm. hmm

etheltbags1 Sun 21-Jul-19 21:29:25

Older than most sounds to be a very provocative female. Theres no need for it on these pages. We cant help being british and yes as already said people want to come here. So live and let live

Chewbacca Sun 21-Jul-19 21:17:43

you obviously think that those wanting to escape poverty stricken and war torn countries want to come here because of the warm welcome from the inhabitants and the luxury lifestyles they will obtain.

Eh? How on earth did you extrapolate that from my post crystaltipps? confused

Callistemon Sun 21-Jul-19 19:46:46

The Stena Imperio, was in the correct channel following the approved route.
I stand corrected, M0nica - perhaps I had one eye on the BBC news which showed its route and another on something else (I thought I could multi-task, but perhaps not). I saw the route of the Stena Imperio shown on the map and assumed it had gone off course and been boarded.
"Never assume anything".