Girl Guide leader expelled from post.

Notanan2, I agree that this nonsense that is being peddled to young children is dangerous. A true transgender person does not need to be educated, they know, and they decide to do something about it or not at a later stage. The right stage is not early childhood.
Another politically correct agenda is sweeping the country. How long before we have adults saying they were misled over this and wish they had never changed sex. It reminds me of the ‘me too’ movement and the ‘historical abuse’ movement. Only last week a man was jailed for 18 years for perpetuating historical abuse lies.

You’re right nonanan2, a DNA test would reveal a person’s gender however they have changed their body through surgery and hormone treatment.

But I don’t have a problem if someone wants to put themself through all that and then appear alongside me for example, in a female changing room or toilet facility. I do have a problem if a man decides to self identify as a female today, and appears alongside me in a changing room, complete with all his tackle.

With regard to little children, aged 7-11 I do not believe they should have to grapple with this kind of scenario, so when they visit the toilet whilst at Brownies they should not be confronted by a child with a body that is clearly not like theirs, clearly male.
This is trampling over the rights of the many in favour of the few.

No doubt the volunteers responsible for running the Brownies, Guides etc will decide that if they have to subjugate their opinions and feelings about this matter they will decide to walk away, with a major loss to British society.

I wonder how the Girl Guiding movement is interpreting this in other countries. It would be interesting to know.

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He may identify as a girl, but until hormone treatment and surgery takes place, he is still a boy.

You cant change sex. That is a dangerous lie that children are being told.

If he has hormonal puberty blockers and hormones: he is a boy who has been medically castrated.

If he has "top surgery" he is a boy who has had cosmetic surgery.

If he has "bottom surgery" he is a boy who has had his penis inverted.

Why do I hate the phrase "Go figure"?

notanan2, good post.
Brownies are very young children, 7-11 years I believe. A boy dressed as a Brownie, sharing sleeping facilities, toilet facilities, and washing facilities, is still a boy. He may identify as a girl, but until hormone treatment and surgery takes place, he is still a boy. It is totally wrong to subject little girls to the latest politically correct ideology. If a boy/young man wishes to undergo sex change when he is old enough to understand the issues, that’s up to him. But it’s not up the Girl Guiding Association or the little boys parents to expect the whole of society, including the Girl Guides to change their behaviour in order to facilitate them.

Transgirls who think that ploughing through girls single sex spaces is the only way to "affirm" their identity are being mysogynistic. And very "male"

Transboys dont often behave like that re boys only spaces, go figure!

Do you really think the Girl Guides Association cannot be trusted with the safety of the girls in their care? You really think that you know more about this than they do? Do you not think that this has all been carefully considered, advice from experts in the field taken, over a period of time? Ridiculous.

Someone has to make these decisions, and the responsibility is not taken lightly.

notanan2 especially as that is quite a mysogynistic way to behave Can I ask who you think is being mysoginistic? The boy identifying as a girl or the leaders introducing the policy?

And it's all over twitter. Helen@MsHelenWatts.

To my knowledge, they don't tend to flip-flop between genders.
Then you are not up to date with selfID

If a boy lives as a girl, and join a Rainbows/Brownies etc group, does she then become a lesbian and put the other girls at risk?
A boy can never become a lesbian. Lesbians are female same sex couples regardless of how they dress or "express"

If she joins the troupe as a girl, and is accepted as a girl, and participates as a girl, then why does anyone need to know that she started life as a boy.
Because that makes it a mixed sex group and GG are lying about being single sex

Or is it feared that although she lives as a girl, and has been accepted into a group as a girl, as soon as she comes near other girls, the male hormones take over and she become a raging sex pest/potential rapist?
Avoiding rape is not the only reason why a girl may want to chose a single sex group!

If I had a grandson who wanted to wear dresses and call himself Bertha I would have no problem with that. I would not however support notions that HIS rights trump girls rights: especially as that is quite a mysogynistic way to behave

FarNorth read that thread. (Although no doubt you have already done so)

One of the women leaders who signed the open letter, and was subsequently banned, ran to tell her story on Mumsnet. Calls herself AgnesBadenPowell. thread here

I can't work out what it is that I'm missing here. Whether we agree with it or not, some males are more comfortable living as female and vice versa. To my knowledge, they don't tend to flip-flop between genders.

If a boy lives as a girl, and join a Rainbows/Brownies etc group, does she then become a lesbian and put the other girls at risk? Or is it feared that although she lives as a girl, and has been accepted into a group as a girl, as soon as she comes near other girls, the male hormones take over and she become a raging sex pest/potential rapist?

If she joins the troupe as a girl, and is accepted as a girl, and participates as a girl, then why does anyone need to know that she started life as a boy.

I wonder how any of you would feel if your much loved grandsons were effectively seen as a safeguarding risk if he decides he is more comfortable in a girls' skin and was excluded from activities because the rest of his peers were girls? Would you still be saying he shouldn't be welcomed into a group because he wasn't born with the right genetalia? Would you be thinking that he posed a risk to girls?

So you dont think that parents, carers and foster carers who thought they had signed up for single sex groups for whatever reason. should know that the groups are in fact mixed but they will not be told which groups are mixed and the groups that are will not be treated as mixed?

Worries WERE expressed higher up.

What kind of a world are we in? My sons absolutely adored cubs and scouts, the leaders were brilliant. I used to think, I would do the decent thing and volunteer myself but I wouldn't. Hard, hard work.

Far North, I mean decent and kind volunteers should be very highly valued.

Do you have proof that there was 'babbling on social media' which related to Guiding, Gonegirl?

Even if that is true, it doesn't mean that GirlGuiding is correct to be operating this policy without doing risk assessment or informing parents.

trisher here are the age ranges, within GirlGuiding :

Rainbows (5-7), Brownies (7-10), Guides (10-14), Rangers (14-18)

So Guides and Rangers are definitely in the age range for sexual behaviour, possibly consensual but not what parents expect to be happening.

In addition, young girls and transgirls (boys) are being led to believe that 'sex change' is possible.
It isn't and any trans child will have to undergo drug treatment with unknown effects, as well as surgery, if they hope to maintain the illusion of being the opposite sex.

Oh so she was babbling on social media? No time for her then. That in itself is cause for dismissal. Silly woman.

That leader should never have been airing her views on social media. If she had concerns she should have taken it up with her local Commissioner.

Of course there are still babies born showing no definite signs of b being of a particular sex. And of course doctors still go by guesswork. And sometimes misjudge. Yes, it's what you call "intersex" since your kind always must have labels. Probably because you hope it makes you seem superior to the rest of us.

Lessismore do you mean the decent and kind people like the leader who has been expelled for wanting to protect safeguarding?
Or decent and kind people like transwomen who believe their right to privacy is more important than clear safety checks and safeguarding procedures?

PS, I identify as a goldfish.

What a load of old nonsense. They decent and kind hearted people give of their time to help young people.

In many areas it is all that is available for children apart from school.