Girl Guide leader expelled from post.

That's lovely Fiachna50.
It's a pity won't want to tell us how to tell the difference between 'these ladies' and men who might identify as women in order to get close access to female children.

I have experience of trans people men to women. I have also been in a situation where I have chatted to these ladies in a ladies toilet. I have never felt threatened or intimidated, or felt they were in there for any other reason than to go to the toilet. I believe in live and let live. That is all I have to say on the matter.

Here is an update from Katie Alcock, the expelled Guide Leader who is challenging Girl Guiding's trans policy in court :

"Thank you to all my lovely backers: we are still in correspondence with Girlguiding so I can't say much. But here's a few brief snippets:

We have sent them a full claim and it's made me feel very strongly how important it is I do this for all girls and women in Guiding. Many feel "it won't happen to me" and it's true there are probably few leaders and young members who are boys/men who identify as girls/women so they may never meet one.

But the definition of those who may join is as follows (similar for children):
"If an adult self-identifies as a woman then they are able to undertake all adult roles in guiding"
No self identification as a woman? Too bad, you can't be a leader. This brought home to me just how important this is for ALL women and girls in Guiding.

And that's even leaving aside girls who identify as trans. It's still a matter of easing them out and as we know, that's the most likely group to identify as trans.

So please please, share and donate.
I reached my initial target easily but the stretch target is essential in case we have to pay costs - that's a real risk.

And thanks again

Katie"

I happened to see this news report about the Lesbian Strength March taking place in Leeds today.
It backs up what I said about 'lesbian penises'.

This is a quote from someone who is opposed to the idea that lesbians are natal females who are sexually attracted only to other natal females.

"We believe that everyone has a part in this lesbian community - it doesn't matter what genitals they have!"

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/people/more-counter-protests-in-leeds-as-lesbian-strength-and-trans-rights-groups-gather-in-city-square-1-9982062

I'll leave you to it FarNorth. You have obviously studied this subject in depth.

I would think a disabled youngster would have a qualified helper assigned to them.

That could be because you don't have a disability, Gonegirl.

Did you have boys (transgirls) in the same tents and washing facilities?

Were you / would you be happy with that?

How about if you were taking an opportunity to do a bit of lesbian exploration with another girl who, it turned out, expected her penis to be accomodated?

That is not fantasy - there is a lot of demand, from trans activists, for 'female penises' to be accepted as lesbian.
You may not have heard about it but I assure you it is true and that young transgirls (teenage boys) are likely to have heard about it.

Disabled girls receive very intimate care.

The only "intimate care" I received from anyone in the Guides was at camp when I had my first period and an accompanying Brown Owl handed me a sanitary towel, a piece of elastic, and a couple of safety pins. She didn't offer to put the thing on for me.

Attention seeking fuss over nothing.

Over £10,000 now and 27 days to go.

www.crowdjustice.com/case/expelled-from-girlguiding/?fbclid=IwAR1tVJZANY7fuxwv2tpP6RRbrqBeuZlmflgPw9Hw4xTtz0IAuuFFom93BL8

Yes, why not?

Really?

Bump

We actually did agree on something fairly recently and had a laugh about it. I'm sure we'd be of one mind on a lot of things but SNP/Scottish independence isn't one of them!

(Is that a first, Jane10?)

PECS was there a consultation?
I understood that the new policy was simply notified to Guide leaders, while girls and parents were told nothing - not even that there is now a policy whereby male-bodied leaders and youth are to be included as females if they so choose.

I agree with Granny23!

PECS it’s often adults who worry, maybe because of prejudice but maybe because we have more life experience and knowledge.
This issue is complex for all of us. I have a possibly transgender grandson

I cannot see, in the link, that she actually refused anything. She is a radical feminist who does not / cannot agree or accept that some babies are born with a set of genitalia that does not match their gender. She is/was a member of a national organisation that has a set of rules. The article does not explain if she contributed to the consultation when deciding to amend arrangements to accommodate t/g children. In my experience it is never kids who worry about this just adults!

Good article, notanan2.

medium.com/@JonahMix/an-open-letter-to-the-guy-on-twitter-who-wonders-if-biological-sex-is-real-58d2cb4403f5

(That was in response to Granny23)

There would be the same issues with the Scouts. Just because they take both sexes doesn't mean that they would be all in together so far as tents and showers are concerned when away on trips.

I think Guides is probably quite a bit different to Scouts.

The Equality Act 2010 is clear that there can be single-sex exemptions where it is a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.
Trans people with a GRC can be excluded by this, so that they are treated as their biological sex.

Trans organisations often state the opposite - saying that the assumed gender has to be accepted as factual sex at all times.

Perhaps the teen girl mentioned by MissA found it confusing or unsettling that her female carer now looked like a man.

Females can request only female carers.
The sex discrimination act used to be exempt in these cases.
The act may have changed, but still, I think the wish for same sex carers is still valid.

Strangely enough, I work with a female to male carer who had to leave his job looking after a teen female after many years once his sex change was complete.