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Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 21:02:29

Hello everyone. Am I being unreasonable? I've issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:

No kissing my baby! She's 5 months old.

Here goes:

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

If my own sister got cold sores, I'd be free to say "Hey, please don't kiss the baby." Or "Hey...be careful she doesnt touch your mouth, okay?" ...because my baby is reaching and touching people's mouths a lot now and putting her hand in her own mouth right after. I had no idea before having a child, but swapping saliva with a young child is a cause of tooth decay and premature dental issues as well..their mouths just can't handle it.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming the other week. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

This situation has been stressing me out, so I took matters into my own hands as my husband in this regard is pretty useless and
I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes (she rubs her own face a lot and can wipe saliva into her eyes, nose and mouth from cheek kisses) even when they are asymptomatic (i.e. not showing any signs of herpes) and cause my baby to get it. At this age, it can be super detrimental to her health.

My beloved MIL said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied or she's cherry picking facts. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone where denial is better than fact.

They tried to change the subject but I stood my ground. My husband backed me up and said "Do you understand, mom? No kisses for the baby."

She reluctantly agreed to our request.

His parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and say it's from stress and not a virus. They are in their 70s, so perhaps they don't know it's initiated by a virus first, and then stays in your system forever.

Anyway, I'm getting reading material on it from gov website and the hospital so they finally believe it. They encouraged me to ask the pediatrician to make sure.

I'm not sure what his sister thinks (I haven't talked to her about it because I don't want her to feel bad AT ALL! Her own 3 kids don't get it, so SHE must know it's contagious. I don't want to alienate her or anybody...just want to keep my baby safe.

My own family understands and is going along willingly. The in-laws, however are trying to say that herpes isn't contagious and that it's from stress.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I decided to finally bring it up to his parents, I made up a phantom friend who almost lost her child to meningitis brought on by herpes because I knew they'd be incredulous. They told me "no..not herpes! Herpes can't do that." I said very pointedly that it can cause blindness in babies, meningitis and encephalitis. I know that these are rare complications, but my child is STILL very vulnerable.

So I have said NO kisses for baby! They've reluctantly agreed, but I feel like the bad guy.

For the record: I do not have HSV1, but I kiss my baby on the head or anywhere else she can't transfer the saliva into her mouth (rarely do I kiss her face, but I'm extravagantly affectionate in other ways). My husband is well aware of the risks, and does the same. Am I being unreasonable?

Thank you.

sharon103 Mon 13-Jan-20 01:18:52

I've just copied this from the NHS website: Important
Do not kiss babies if you have a cold sore. It can lead to neonatal herpes, which is very dangerous to newborn babies.
I was searching because when I was about 3 years old. I had cold sores all in my mouth and throat and I can remember the doctor prescribed a dark blue ink like liquid which my mum painted on in my mouth. This subject is interesting to me as I never had good teeth and always at the dentist. So much so, I had them all taken out when I was 18.

Naty Mon 13-Jan-20 00:03:20

Callistemon I can speak Italian fluently, but with many errors and lack nuances and subtleties at times. This is why interpersonal issues are hard in another language. People think you are either too blunt or too vague.

maddyone Sun 12-Jan-20 23:29:23

I always thought sugar rots teeth. I limited my three children’s sugar intake and they all grew up with lovely teeth. Only one of them has a filling, just one filling. They are all in their 30s/40s now. My daughter’s dentist complimented her on her beautiful teeth and asked who oversaw teeth cleaning/diet as a child. My Mum she said, well you can thank your Mum for your beautiful teeth.
So a few germs in the mouth shouldn’t cause cavities, but lots of sugar will. Nonetheless no one should kiss anyone else, let alone an infant, if they have a cold sore. That would be absolutely unacceptable.

V3ra Sun 12-Jan-20 23:25:43

callistemon I have looked after the ten year old since he was a baby. He knows the rules about hand washing, and why. He lies about it.
I spoke firmly to him about it upstairs in private. At no point did I, or do I, lose control.
I have other children whose health and wellbeing I am responsible for, and their parents to answer to.
His mother would have been furious with him.

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 23:24:49

I have just re-read my post to check and there is absolutely nothing unkind about it.

Naty seems to be struggling with certain issues and being able to speak the language of your adopted country is a priority for someone with a small child.

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 23:21:38

It was not unkind as Naty is a teacher OutsideDave so I thought she would need to be fluent in her adopted country.

After 10 years of living there, I am surprised, but she may want to look at the thread about online language courses before she returns to work this year.
She said herself her language skills are not sufficient to explain what she means.

Just because your MIL didn't appear to understand the word No doesn't mean that she did not in fact know perfectly well what you meant.

OutsideDave Sun 12-Jan-20 23:11:38

Naty you would be well done to remind them that folks are contagious 24-48 hours before the sore erupts so, you are relying on THEM to police themselves, as you won’t know until it’s far too late if they are contagious. My mil used to insist on shoving her finger into the mouths of, and sharing spoons with her grandkids, and they all have had awful cavities, similar to her. My younger two who don’t see her have had much better dental health, and I can’t say that their diet or teeth brushing habits are better than their older sibling, so I’m left to assume it was grandmas bad habits leaving their mark.

As for the poster who made such unkind comments about Naty’s
Proficiency in Italian- one can use a language daily and be quite conversant but still not be at the level of fluency necessary to negotiate a conversation with an intransigent grandmother. My MIL and I shared a first language but it often seemed as if we didn’t share any language at all. She had a very unique definition of the word ‘no’ which I never fully understood ??

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 23:07:56

I know they can be awkward at 10 but no childminder should be tearing him off a strip lucywinter.

It seems as if she has lost control.
In front of toddlers too.

GreenGran78 Sun 12-Jan-20 23:03:16

Your baby. Your rules. As long as you aren’t going to be over-protective as she grows up you have the right to police peoples’ behaviour around your baby. My daughter asked me to have a German measles booster before visiting them in Australia even before the baby arrived. Apparently the doctor recommended it. I thought that it was a bit over the top, but happily complied for her peace of mind.
First-time mums can be a little paranoid about their child’s health, but that’s better than letting them pick up bugs from people.

lucywinter Sun 12-Jan-20 22:50:38

Everyone should wash their hands when they get home. Don't blame previous poster for tearing the ten year old a strip. Little shit

lucywinter Sun 12-Jan-20 22:47:54

At five months getting the herpes virus from someone with a cold sore would be absolutely awful, and unnecessary.

Can't imagine anyone with a cold sore, which are horrible looking, yucky things, would think it's ok to kiss a baby.

Just how common are cold sores? confused I've never had one in my life.

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 22:44:21

You are a childminder looking after someone else's child and you tear him off a strip?
shock

Nice.

V3ra Sun 12-Jan-20 22:41:04

I have two year olds here. The first thing my minded children have to do when we come back from school is WASH THEIR HANDS!!! I have one ten year old who wriggles out of this given half a chance. His mum's a nurse! Boy do I tear him off a strip ?

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 22:30:51

Solonge a sensible post, although I do not agree with babies being kissed on the mouth by anyone at all - even mother. They will come across germs unless they are kept away from everyone and need to build up some resistance.

Naty have you lived in Italy for over 10 years but you are still not able to communicate in the language?
Perhaps if you learn to speak the language fluently it may help with your communication problems, especially if you intend going back to work.

Someone recommended online courses on another thread.

Jishere Sun 12-Jan-20 22:29:23

Jura 2 it's obvious you are referring to my comment regarding MAWB
Still cannot fathom out why some of you on here are just not nice. Complaining because the writer hasn't got chance to say thank you to everyone!! And now you referring to my comment as trolling. Like I've written I have found this thread very interesting and will pass info onto my daughter. As the writer Naty is a new mum wouldn't it be nice just to end this thread on a nice positive note? Hell yes! But going forward Please keep your unjustified snide remarks to yourself. Enjoy your evening

MissAdventure Sun 12-Jan-20 22:22:06

Nothing baffling that I can see.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 22:21:09

How what adds up, Sherlock?

Oopsminty Sun 12-Jan-20 22:17:30

Hetty58, that's all quite baffling!

No idea what's going on there

Your comment re: supermarket trollies and Mums and Toddler groups is spot on

All those grubby toys being sucked on. Sticky fingers ... sticky with who knows what! All being passed around. It's amazing they manage to stay healthy!

Hotbed for passing on cold sores

We can't protect unless we live in a bubble

Hetty58 Sun 12-Jan-20 22:10:19

Oopsminty, I've always worried about people sitting young babies in supermarket trolley seats (where they can touch the main handle) and think it's very unhygienic. That said, mother and baby or toddler groups seem universally popular and must be ideal germ-exchanging environments.

Naty has mentioned several times in past posts that she's Canadian but then didn't want to say it here - not that we've forgotten. She said that MIL will look after the baby when she goes back to work (at 14 months) too!

On November 28th, Naty posted about MIL dropping in unannounced. Just two days later, she wanted advice as she was unhappy with her career and 'should be making a lot more money'. She said she has a Batchelors Degree in Psychology and is a teacher.

This leaves me somewhat puzzled - as she also worried that her Italian may prevent her from explaining things properly to MIL. I fail to see how it all adds up!

jura2 Sun 12-Jan-20 21:57:05

Maw - honestly, I am beginning to think 'someone is trolling here' honestly (no, not you.)

Oopsminty Sun 12-Jan-20 21:47:52

My baby daughter ended up with an horrendous bout of this. It was all in the roof of her mouth. She couldn't eat and drinking was painful

My GP said she hadn't seen such a bad case

She was such a good baby. One night, 2am to be exact, we were sat in bed. She couldn't sleep. So I sang to her and rocked her.

I saw a lone tear fall down her cheek and I burst into tears

But we got through it.

She never had it again

Was this passed on by a member of the family?

Who knows.

Nobody that was in contact with her had a cold sore

So what I am attempting to say is children can get all manner of things.

And we'll not necessarily know where from

Jishere Sun 12-Jan-20 21:47:50

MAWB Can't you end this interesting thread on a nice note? ???

MissAdventure Sun 12-Jan-20 21:46:19

Everyone is cross if people drip feed...
Still, you can't please everyone.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 21:37:50

You must like reading this masterpiece, because you're still here, MawB

MawB Sun 12-Jan-20 21:35:18

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Hi MawB I think you might be a little too invested in this thread
Invested? Really ? hmm ,
Au contraire, I am agog with indifference. I agree with the poster who said you could have summed up your problem in a short paragraph instead of chapter and verse...and verse... and verse...and verse...ad infinitum ..