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Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 21:02:29

Hello everyone. Am I being unreasonable? I've issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:

No kissing my baby! She's 5 months old.

Here goes:

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

If my own sister got cold sores, I'd be free to say "Hey, please don't kiss the baby." Or "Hey...be careful she doesnt touch your mouth, okay?" ...because my baby is reaching and touching people's mouths a lot now and putting her hand in her own mouth right after. I had no idea before having a child, but swapping saliva with a young child is a cause of tooth decay and premature dental issues as well..their mouths just can't handle it.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming the other week. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

This situation has been stressing me out, so I took matters into my own hands as my husband in this regard is pretty useless and
I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes (she rubs her own face a lot and can wipe saliva into her eyes, nose and mouth from cheek kisses) even when they are asymptomatic (i.e. not showing any signs of herpes) and cause my baby to get it. At this age, it can be super detrimental to her health.

My beloved MIL said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied or she's cherry picking facts. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone where denial is better than fact.

They tried to change the subject but I stood my ground. My husband backed me up and said "Do you understand, mom? No kisses for the baby."

She reluctantly agreed to our request.

His parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and say it's from stress and not a virus. They are in their 70s, so perhaps they don't know it's initiated by a virus first, and then stays in your system forever.

Anyway, I'm getting reading material on it from gov website and the hospital so they finally believe it. They encouraged me to ask the pediatrician to make sure.

I'm not sure what his sister thinks (I haven't talked to her about it because I don't want her to feel bad AT ALL! Her own 3 kids don't get it, so SHE must know it's contagious. I don't want to alienate her or anybody...just want to keep my baby safe.

My own family understands and is going along willingly. The in-laws, however are trying to say that herpes isn't contagious and that it's from stress.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I decided to finally bring it up to his parents, I made up a phantom friend who almost lost her child to meningitis brought on by herpes because I knew they'd be incredulous. They told me "no..not herpes! Herpes can't do that." I said very pointedly that it can cause blindness in babies, meningitis and encephalitis. I know that these are rare complications, but my child is STILL very vulnerable.

So I have said NO kisses for baby! They've reluctantly agreed, but I feel like the bad guy.

For the record: I do not have HSV1, but I kiss my baby on the head or anywhere else she can't transfer the saliva into her mouth (rarely do I kiss her face, but I'm extravagantly affectionate in other ways). My husband is well aware of the risks, and does the same. Am I being unreasonable?

Thank you.

chris8888 Sun 12-Jan-20 11:22:16

I think the issue about kissing babies and children is much wider than cold sores. It is about you making the rules you are happy with for your child. You have made everyone aware of how you feel which is great it is right to be direct.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 11:20:45

Thanks Luckygirl

Luckygirl Sun 12-Jan-20 11:12:59

Indeed Dragonlover - it is an unpleasant thing to have and is a lifelong nuisance.

I do not think the OP is being unreasonable at all - her in-laws seem to be rife with this virus and of course she wants to try and avoid her baby getting this. I do not think she needs to talk about small potential dangerous outcomes or the relatives will simply say that they have it and nothing so awful has happened. But she does need to say very clearly that she recognises what a lifelong pain cold sores are and that her decision is that she wishes to take steps to avoid this if possible.

If her family do not agree then more fool them - they are likely to see very little of this baby!

To those who say that the world is full of germs the baby needs to get used to, I entirely agree. But where there is an obvious source of an infection that is lifelong then it makes sense to take steps to avoid it.

All power to her elbow - and good luck with the in-laws!

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 11:11:38

Thank you, endlessstrife I think the welfare of my kid should come first before people's feelings. Obviously, I try not to be unkind about it.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 11:10:01

Oh, I'll reply in bold, then. The @ symbol isn't working for me.

Phloembundle Sun 12-Jan-20 11:09:09

Of course you don't want your baby to ever have cold sores. Fast forward a few years to school age. It would be terrible for the child to be treated as a pariah by others every time she had a sore, not to mention they are painful and forever opening up just after they start healing.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 11:08:11

Her username is ladymuck....

Dragonlover Sun 12-Jan-20 10:58:07

Hi I'm a cold sore suffer,I have passed it on to some of my four children. I know better now and am extremely carefully with the Gran children.It might seem a small thing,but it has a lifetime effect.

Kartush Sun 12-Jan-20 10:55:08

and when your baby grows up and goes to daycare and school are you going to send it with a list of rules? I am not saying don't be aware and careful but kids get germs, you may protect them from your inlaws and then in five years time she goes and shares lunch with another kid with cold sores, or gets spit from a friends toys. you will drive yourself crazy at this rate.

Marjgran Sun 12-Jan-20 10:50:00

Surely the most important thing is 1) something is worrying you - it could be about anything 2) you want your folks to take your worries seriously. You don’t want them kissing your baby. It is your new little baby. Irrelevant whether they agree, if you and the father want no kisses, no kisses it (politely) is. If you are having to make up stories it is because you are not being listened to. They need to take you seriously and your feelings irrespective of their own opinions. Meanwhile your worries may move on to other threats to your baby and maybe you will need help with your anxieties. Motherhood can be terrifying....

Tanjamaltija Sun 12-Jan-20 10:49:03

@phoenix www.nbcnews.com/id/35989527/ns/health-oral_health/t/moms-kiss-can-spread-cavities-baby/#.XhsG2Hd2s5s And if a mother's saliva can do this, go figure other people's...

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 10:39:45

I always thought it was those gobstoppers which did for mine!

RosesAreRed21 Sun 12-Jan-20 10:39:27

Don’t back down and live to regret it. Stick to your guns

tickingbird Sun 12-Jan-20 10:38:19

swapping saliva leads to tooth decay Really? How on earth did we all manage to reach adulthood with our own teeth. Sorry but that sounds pretty obsessive to me. Relax a little, your baby will be fine.

vampirequeen Sun 12-Jan-20 10:34:23

I don't think you're being unreasonable.

Callistemon Sun 12-Jan-20 10:33:36

Naty you say your in-laws don't respect your culture

May I point out gently that old saying of St Augustine 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do', apt as you live in Italy and married into an Italian family. You may have to be more flexible, not expect them to make all the changes and find a middle way.

However, that should not include anyone kissing your baby on the mouth who has a cold sore, flu or anything else which could make your baby sick.

Chewbacca Sun 12-Jan-20 10:20:17

Loops, my apologies naty. Thanks for letting me know Maggiemaybe, I genuinely hadn't spotted that.

MawB Sun 12-Jan-20 10:14:14

Which is why we have two conventions- one using @ and the other, writing the username in bold
Saves misunderstandings.

Maggiemaybe Sun 12-Jan-20 10:11:37

The poster naty’s replying to is actually called ladymuck, Chewbacca. smile

endlessstrife Sun 12-Jan-20 10:05:46

Hello Naty I haven’t read any replies, so sorry if this is repetitive. Firstly, I never put peoples feelings before the welfare of my children. Cold sores are horrible, all my husband’s family had them, probably because there was no education around them years ago. Some people are susceptible, because the virus hangs around in them, a bit like the chicken pox virus. They are both stimulated by stress, and other factors, such as a low immunity. There’s no reason why they couldn’t kiss her over her clothes, but she should come first....always. I would, and did do, what you want to do, but despite that, one of my four children gets them too! Good luck.

Chewbacca Sun 12-Jan-20 10:02:23

Lady muck???

You posted here to seek advice and then, when you get some that you don't agree with, you address a poster rudely?
Not pleasant naty.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:58:11

But I'm super vigilant now that my baby is here and her immunity is weak.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:57:27

No obsessions with cold sores. I married DH, right? He's got them every now and then.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:56:25

I tend not to kiss babies too, dragonfly46..but well before I knew about cold sores. I guess I already felt close to them because I could hold their entire body in my arms.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:55:05

I'll take your advice, Urmstongran