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Spanish Flu. Any historians amongst you?

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Lizbethann55 Tue 26-May-20 17:44:15

I know about the Spanish Flu obviously. I know when it started, where they think it came from and about the truly catastrophic death toll. But I am struggling to find out about how long it lasted and how/why it stopped. I read somewhere that it affected mostly younger people (but that may be because there were no "older" people). And while I was trying to find answers I think I found something about how the virus kept mutating and finally mutated itself to a point where it was harmless. But that sounds very far fetched to me and, as I can't find the article again and it was late at night, I am wondering if I imagined it. Does anyone know what happened to it and if we can take any hope from it.

Bijou Thu 28-May-20 10:17:47

My mother was 18 at the time but never mentioned it. I was dangerously ill with Asian flu in the 1950s.

Davida1968 Thu 28-May-20 10:25:51

Since going into shutdown I heard a programme on Radio 4 which talked about this. One theory was/is that the old folk just took to their beds (and many survived, because while resting, all their body's "strength" could focus on fighting the virus) whereas all the younger people "soldiered on", working in their jobs/homes, for as long as they could, and thus succumbed.

Jaycee5 Thu 28-May-20 10:53:09

There are some very good YouTube videos about it. Some by those who lived through it are very interesting.
One said that it was truly over in the US until 1922. Given that it almost certainly started in the US (probably Kansas) that means 4 years.

Cs783 Thu 28-May-20 10:56:43

No snappy answers for you Lizbethann55 but I've just listened to a podcast
'David and Helen talk to the historian Dan Snow about the parallels for the current crisis. Is it like past pandemics or is it more like a war? ...' It doesn't answer your questions but is in the area (it's detailed stuff; I need to listen again and concentrate more!)

podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudGFsa2luZ3BvbGl0aWNzcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vYmxvZz9mb3JtYXQ9cnNz/episode/NTg4ZWZhODY0NmMzYzQwMjNkOTA0ZGE2OjU4OGVmYmQwNmE0OTYzYzQxMDBlMGE4ZDo1ZWNlZDYxYWRiOTQ2YTU4OGM3ZDk3ODg?hl=en-FR&ep=6

Niucla97 Thu 28-May-20 10:59:36

I was told that had an Uncle who died in his late twenties from the Spanish 'flu. Apparently, he was ill for many weeks and his wife was expecting their first child. The baby was born one evening and he died the following morning what a tragedy! Apparently, it did last for two tears with four 'peaks.' Everyone one went'wild' after the first peak which caused the second one!

I read somewhere that something like this happens every hundred years.

Annanan Thu 28-May-20 11:28:39

My two baby uncles died of the Spanish flu. My mother didn’t die but was left with a weak heart. A good, but scholarly read is Pale Rider ( sorry, can’t remember the author) and the PBS America documentary is excellent

Lizbethann55 Thu 28-May-20 13:10:28

Thank you. Will hunt down "Pale Rider".

Clairefontaine Thu 28-May-20 14:40:36

My father, born in late 1918 developped Spanish flu as a baby. Forty five years later, he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s Disease. Specialists at the large teaching hospital where he was treated suggested that his central nervous system had been compromised by Spanish flu when he was a baby and that this later re-emerged as Parkinson’s. He died Aged 52. I mention it because only time will tell what longterm effects there will be for some.

Callistemon Thu 28-May-20 14:57:41

Davida1968 that theory could have some fundamental truth. When my DH was ill with food poisoning (not the kind that makes you sick, more like really bad flu symptoms) he tried to soldier on until told firmly by the GP that he would not get properly better until he rested completely. That did work after just a few days.

Jani31 Thu 28-May-20 15:27:52

Great grandfather died of the Spanish Flu in 1919 aged 67. He was Headmaster of a village school, lost 1 son in 1916, no one else in the family became sick. Pre existing lung condition, photos show a strong man until the end x

Bluecat Thu 28-May-20 15:49:51

My nana lived on the outskirts of Leicester. (So do I but that's another story.) She said that she hardly ever went into the city centre during the flu but, when she did, it was like a ghost town. She said everyone was terrified.

Pretty much like now, really.

Kamiso Thu 28-May-20 17:54:47

My whole family had flu in the mid-late 50s. We were all ill at the same time and I have vague memories of my parents staggering from bed to bed checking up on us. My younger brothers were a toddler and a 6/12 baby, my older brother was 8. It must have been very frightening.

Shizam Thu 28-May-20 20:39:51

Never mind the sheer horror of those illegal Chinese wet markets, wild and often endangered animals, caged for consumption. Surely now is time for China to stop them. They seem in total charge of their population. SARS, Murs and now covid apparently came from them. So let’s stop at that.

pinkquartz Thu 28-May-20 21:28:16

It was first identified in Kansas USA in March 1918.

I don't think anyone knows for sure if it originated in China though and is a type of avian flu.

but it was brought to Europe by the American troops who were infected so it could not have originated in England or France.
It did kill a lot of young adults sadly most died of pneumonia

Grannmarie Thu 28-May-20 22:54:33

Pale Rider Kindle edition is available on Amazon for £7.99.

Purplepoppies Mon 01-Jun-20 08:15:28

It was called Spanish Flu because Spain raised the alarm, not because it started there. All the other governments were trying to keep a lid on it so as not 'panic' the masses during an already difficult time.

MawB Mon 01-Jun-20 08:26:00

My father, born in late 1918 developped Spanish flu as a baby. Forty five years later, he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s Disease. Specialists at the large teaching hospital where he was treated suggested that his central nervous system had been compromised
Interesting Clairefontaine
This point was also made in a recent radio programme about the 1918-19 pandemic.
OP and those interested, are you following the recent Radio 4 series by Professor John Oxford on Friday mornings? It was in 3 parts, starting on 15 May, so now only available on “Sounds” (iplayer’s new name)
Very informative.

Furret Mon 01-Jun-20 10:18:08

There is also a link between being exposed to ‘flu in utero and the chances of developing schizophrenia in later life.

Davidhs Mon 01-Jun-20 12:19:01

Influenza as well as many other diseases both attacks and weakens the immune system, it can also trigger auto immune conditions. Covid 19 has caused auto immunity in many patients which makes it even more difficult to treat, in the past viruses have mutated quickly, Covid 19 will decline, its the next serious strain that infects us we need to watch for.
Maybe it will be next year maybe in 10 yrs let’s hope we have remembered how to limit transmission and especially how to prepare with enough PPE supplies and how to lock down the care homes first to prevent the most vulnerable being victims.

Be prepared for the worst and hope for the best