People who menstruate

Its a problem if a trans woman dies because they are a woman and did not follow marketing aimed at a gender they don't identify with
It's not possible for a trans woman to die because they are a woman. A trans woman is a biological man, not a woman and no amount of gender feeling or identifying will ever change a man into a woman. Or a woman into a man for that matter.

I know men can get breast cancer. However, as far as I am aware, transwomen don't have cervixes, so I would presume, as such they can't get cervical cancer or ovarian cancer or womb cancer. If you know you haven't got a cervix why would you go for a smear

Galaxy

But why would you not say women and transmen then.

Because that excludes people who are non-binary who may menstruate

That was in Reply to galaxy

I suppose you could. I’m not keen on the wording, but just don’t understand the outrage and indignation on here. If I’d seen it I would just have shrugged and thought that's a bit OTT!

I remember when one of the big arguments for feminists was the name they were called- women or wimmin. Some wanted one, some the other. Strangely enough it seems to have had very little influence or effect on actual people or the lives they lead. I can't see this issue being any more important. I suspect that some of those stating so stridently how important the word "woman" is to our identity and how it has to be kept are simply looking for an excuse to attack trans gender people. They certainly don't know their feminist history when the word "woman" was firmly rejected because of its connotations as wo+man. Interestingly the subject is being debated again with womxn as one chosen word. www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/style/womxn.html

But why would you not say women and transmen then.

Women are people! And some of them menstruate. I totally agree it’s unnecessary to put this and over the top but it is not excluding women! Just including transgender men who menstruate. And no I don’t understand transgender men but I do believe they exist and some may still menstruate. I’m trying to be open minded.

It's another area where women are expected to accommodate, mediate, not challenge but loose ourselves with the aim of keeping the peace. The peace that has silenced women for hundreds of years

Precisely the point I've been trying to get across too Iam64 and it's staggering that some people, who claim to be feminists, just don't see the relevance or connection that the ommission of using the word woman, sets us back decades.

Which points are you referring to?

Nope, no setting any lines here, just trying to understand.

Women who menstuate and people who menstuate is just the same thing. Unless I'm not a people or being a people makes me not a woman which I don't personally feel it does although I understand that others feel the opposite.

I haven't come across the "cervical havers" story so I don't currently know or understand where they are coming from yet. I'll go look.

Can I just ask if my points may be addressed too? If not I'm probably just going to give up on this conversation because it's feeling one sided

And it's very important that those campaigns talk about sex not gender as in many health issues the presentation of symptoms is very different for men and women.

Well Star I’ve seen breast cancer awareness campaigns aimed at men, reminding them that it can happen, albeit rarely, to them

No one can ever ever change their sex.

So do you get to set the line starblaze? I am just interested in why you get that authority and other women dont. Those who objected to the use of cervix havers recently were threatened with rape, violence etc or just told they were bigots.

Cervical cancer is fine, cervix havers is unnecessary. I really don't understand because I get a letter asking me to come for a smear so I do. I get a letter asking me to come for a breast exam so I do. That's fine and proactive but marketing solely towards women when men may get breast cancer is a problem.

Incidently neither letter mentions my gender.

If we as a society tell people that they can change sex and do not make it very clear that actually in relation to health you cant we are treating those people with utter disregard.

But the information seems to be that it is women who die star blaze. So one health campaign used the word cervix havers, it was pointed out that a large percentage of women would have no idea that this included them, women with learning disabilities, women where English is a second language, etc etc.
It is perfectly reasonable to say women and transmen, but strangely that compromise is never acceptable.

It's another area where women are expected to accommodate, mediate, not challenge but loose ourselves with the aim of keeping the peace. The peace that has silenced women for hundreds of years

Galaxy why would that be a problem?

Breast cancer awareness has been exclusively aimed at women in the past and the result was that men died from it just because it is rare for a man to get it so the marketing stopped them from seeing it as a concern.

That's a problem.

Its a problem if a trans woman dies because they are a woman and did not follow marketing aimed at a gender they don't identify with.

Precisely Galaxy, it's the whole issue of diminishing, removing and minimising women from advertising products, whilst no comparative diminishing, reoving or minimising of men from predominantly male products.

Sorry that should say there is no one saying that prostate cancer charities should say for people with a prostate.

But that's the whole point isnt it, it's only women who are targeted like this. There is that the prostate cancer charities should say for people with a prostate.

trisher I always buy mens razors, they do the same exact job and are often cheaper

Perhaps it would be better if "people " was used on everything after all who hasn't 'borrowed' their boyfriend's/husband's razor?