People who menstruate

I always thought transgender people were in a minority, but they seem to have taken over society and are dictating to the rest of us what we may or may not call ourselves. Let's get this straight. I am a WOMAN. I was born with all the organs necessary to procreate - that is what qualifies me to call myself a woman. I am not a woman because I 'feel' like one, nor because I had my male bits cut off. I am a woman because biology made me one. Whether I menstruated is neither here nor there. I am very sorry for those people who are born without a definite biological sex, but we're not talking about them here, we're talking about those who think they have the right to hijack womanhood and give it an entirely different meaning. I am fed up with the whole thing and now I don't care if I offend people. I think it's time biological women stood up for themselves - don't we have enough to put up with without all this nonsense?
Don't bother to post nasty remarks about me, because I shan't be reading them. Just needed to vent.

trisher that is a reasonable viewpoint but it does not mean that those people are not female/male or women/men.

Reduction of stereotypes based on sex or gender is welcome to me, as long as no-one is claiming that they literally are the opposite sex.

However people are claiming that and are insisting on everyone accepting it as fact, based only on their own announcement of it.

If society takes that on, as it is doing, it opens the door to anyone with wrong intentions, who are most likely to be predatory men.

They are not removing themselves from any battle and I think it's really cruel to tell them that. So if a woman identifies as gender neutral it will have no difference on the discrimination they face due to sex. They will still be at high risk of sexual assault, they are at the same risk of discrimination in the work place if they get pregnant etc etc.

trisher if you reject gender completely as a social construct and believe whatever you wear and how you act is irrelevant, you have to accept that those of us who self identify as cis women are uncomfortable with sharing a single sex space, with someone who has a beard and penis. Especially where there are vulnerable women.

I find it interesting that the push to remove the word "woman" from hygiene products is not similarly matched with the removal of the word "man" from hygiene products. For example, Gillette still advertise their shavers as being "the closest shave that a man can get", and not a person? If society is looking for androgyny, why is it predominantly women who are baring the brunt of gender air brushing?

The world IS mad Maddyone.
And yes LadyBella you are spot on i`m with you all the way.

janeainsworth

^The point is that there are people who do not choose to call themselves women but who menstruate. Now are some insisting that they have to be called women?^
No, no-one is insisting people who have transitioned F to M have to be called women. No-one has said that at all.

Please can some posters understand that there are young people who choose not to identify as women they are not necessarily in the process of transitioning nor are they even considering transitioning. They simply choose to be identified as gender neutral that is they choose to be known as people. Therefore saying 'people who menstruate is correct' for them. I have always identified as female and have been an active feminist. When I first heard of gender neutral I didn't understand it at all, but having listened to all the combative and destructive comments and remarks made by people on both sides of this trans discussion I am beginning to understand what they are doing. If someone does not identify as "he" or "she" they are removing themselves from this battle and simply saying all barriers that exist because of gender are unacceptable and they reject them.

It’s all getting rather ridiculous, this PC stuff, especially around this tampon issue. Surely we all know who tampons are intended for? Or the manufacturers could state on the packet “this product is to be used during menstruation” if they need to spell it out. The world’s going crazy and so eager not to offend, that it’s creating issues. Careful wording is all that’s needed.

Thanks from me to women like jaenainsworth, Chewbacca, FarNorth, suziewoosie and others. Thanks for expressing the genuine concerns about the attacks on women, because that's what some of the TRA groups are doing.
Two young women I know are part of the Make More Noise feminist group. They attended a feminist conference where the issue of TransActivism was discussed. Both subsequently had to delete social media accounts after receiving threats of violence and rape from men, men who claimed to be women of course and were part of the TRA group at the conference.

It does, janeainsworth.
It's not only the SNP, tho. This stuff is being happily accepted and promoted by politicians of all parties in the Scottish parliament.
(apart from a very few individuals)

The Scottish Government seems to be getting itself into a bit of a pickle, doesn’t it? What with that and its Hate Crime Bill that sue posted the link about.

No, no-one is insisting people who have transitioned F to M have to be called women. No-one has said that at all.

The organisation www.forwomen.scot is taking legal action against the Scottish government for legislation defining 'woman' as anyone who chooses to call themself one.

It is in a single Bill - the Gender Representation on Public Boards Bill - but has already been quoted as a precedent by activists trying to persuade the Scottish parliament to state that the 'sex' category on the next Scottish census is to be based on self-identified 'gender'.

You can read about it here:
forwomen.scot/blog/

no-one is insisting people who have transitioned F to M have to be called women.

Not on this thread, but in real life this is definitely being said by activists for 'trans rights'.

I saw that today as well Callistemon.

A hairdressing salon has been taken to task when advertising for a new member for their team.

Apparently the advertisement was discriminatory for using the word happy.
It discriminated against people who are not happy.

Late to the party but I’d say much the same as Suziewoozie, Farnorth, etc have eloquently said.

If we cannot utter the word ‘woman‘, how can women have the protected status they currently have in the law? How can you have sex discrimination laws if you cannot define what a women is.

Btw, if a new proposed bill becomes law in Scotland, JK Rowling could well end up in prison for her views on ‘people who menstruate’. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53580326

The point is that there are people who do not choose to call themselves women but who menstruate. Now are some insisting that they have to be called women?
No, no-one is insisting people who have transitioned F to M have to be called women. No-one has said that at all.

There was no need to put anything on the packaging.....we all know what sanitary towels are for, so it’s done to sell and appeal to as wide a market as it possibly can.
Off topic, but did you know that both here and in the US (maybe other countries too) there are groups ( men and women) who dress as babies and wear nappies and suck on dummies, so maybe nappy producers will soon be including that on the packaging.It’s a mad world.

And a Trans person has as much right to respect and equality as any person. But it still doesn't make them a woman

I don't see that anyone on here is being 'trans exclusionary' - whatever that may mean. But being Trans means just that - Trans. It doesn't make you a woman. And a Trans person has as much right to respect and equality as any woman. But it still doesn't make them a woman.

Interesting thought, Magsymoo

As I understand it there are an infinitesimal amount of transmen, who are still female anatomically because they haven't fully transitioned and would therefore still menstruate.

What I find harder to understand, and I again, I imagine these people are also a small minority among the transwomen population per se, are those, who having transitioned from male, who haven't and never will menstruate but insist nevertheless on some pretence they do and furthermore that they should be not be precluded from procedures such as cervical smears, even though the person carrying that out probably won't be able to locate a cervix. I can't help feeling that in some instances there are those who fetishize aspects of womanhood . There may be those on this thread who will have read about Jessica Yaniv in Canada, formerly Jonathan, who brought spurious legal cases against various beauticians in Canada because they refused to carry out Brazilian waxes on their person due to the fact that anatomically this individual was still a male, insomuch as a penis and testicles were still attached. This person was also prone to hanging around women's toilets specifically to engage young pre pubescent girls in discussions about their periods and what sanitary wear they would recommend for "her" own heavy periods. I'm not sure why anyone who doesn't have periods would want them, personally I never enjoyed mine, but there you go that's gender appropriation for you . Although I have yet to hear any transwomen assert that they want to experience menopausal symptoms in all their glory from sleepless nights, hot flushes, palpitations etc etc.

Never any answers ever.
They can be called anything they like trisher, and presumably the same courtesy is offered to women.

I'm just a feminist who is not trans exclusionary.

And that's all she had to say about that.

The point is that there are people who do not choose to call themselves women but who menstruate. Now are some insisting that they have to be called women? Isn' t that a bit mysogynistic? They are after all what some would insist are women, but they choose to identify in another way. There are young people now who identify as 'they' rather than 'he' or 'she'. Are they not permitted a choice?

janeainsworth ?