People who menstruate

Karen White entered the UK prison system as transgender. However, despite dressing as a woman, the 52-year-old had not undergone any surgery and was still legally a male. She was also a convicted paedophile and on remand for grievous bodily harm, burglary, multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women.

In September last year she was transferred to New Hall prison in West Yorkshire. During a three-month period at the female prison she sexually assaulted two other inmates.
The decision to move White to a women’s prison was made public after she admitted in court to the sexual assault and to multiple rapes committed before she was sent to prison.

Those who met White were shocked that she was moved to a female prison, describing the convicted sex offender as “manipulative and controlling”, and questioned her commitment to her transition. The Ministry of Justice has since apologised for the placement.

October 2018

@Starblaze
Can I ask though, if others who would call you that do, would it therefor be an insult if they are just working with their belief system and your view makes them feel discriminated against
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. That's just drivel.
I do not and will never accept that human beings can change sex. I'm 100% positive with that.
I totally accept that many people are not happy with their bodies and feel that they must make changes.
I would always use a persons preferred name, I think that the trans ideology is inherently homophobic and it will do more harm than good to vulnerable people.

Trisher Please can some posters understand that there are young people who choose not to identify as women they are not necessarily in the process of transitioning nor are they even considering transitioning. They simply choose to be identified as gender neutral that is they choose to be known as people

I do realise that.
The young person I know wishes to be referred to as 'they' which I do find confusing as she/he is one entity.

suziewoozie

I’m afraid the red mist falls with this sort of nonsense. I understand that there are some trans men who menstruate . I actually don’t care if they are offended by products designed for biological women being marketed as being for women. I boycott any company I know of who indulge in this rubbish the aim of which is to erase women. I’ve not shopped at M and S for nearly a year now since they opened their changing rooms to self id- ing women.

Hear, hear, all a load of balderdash. Where is this claptrap coming from.

Trisher Please can some posters understand that there are young people who choose not to identify as women they are not necessarily in the process of transitioning nor are they even considering transitioning. They simply choose to be identified as gender neutral that is they choose to be known as people
I know, understand, and accept that some young people identify as gender neutral and don’t accept a binary definition of gender. I’ve never thought of myself as a particularly feminine woman & pursued a career in which at the time women made up a very small minority. I sympathise with anyone who doesn’t want to adhere to society’s expectations where gender is concerned.
But I believe that although gender is societal, sex is not. It is biological and immutable. (I know some people have a different chromosome pattern, but that’s not what we’re talking about here).
Someone who identifies as gender neutral but still has XY or XX chromosomes is still male or female, and by definition a man or woman, however they identify.

I’m with you Gulligranny (Fri 6.21). I want to use ALL female loos when I am out and about. ?

Thank you Iam64.

I think it is yet another invasion of women's spaces by men. Those who feel they need to transgender are not the ones, in general, causing a problem.

Brilliant post Iam64, thank you.

Cross dressing and men living as women, women living as men have all been around since time began. Gays and lesbians had a tough time in many societies, here in the Uk homosexual activity was illegal until 1967. Lesbians were ok, evidently on the grounds that Queen Victoria simply didn't believe women behaved like that.

Societal attitudes and the law have, thankfully, changed in a positive way in recent years. Generally speaking, people are less up tight and more liberal, less threatened by the way people express their sexuality. The current debate about the threat to women (so called cis women) by some TRA's isn't something that can simply be dismisses. Some comments on this thread seem supportive of the TRA view that feminists, especially those of my generation, are TERFS.
Minority groups need to support each other. Its a sad and terrible truth that women remain a minority group. Trisher has pointed out on several recent discussions that many pregnant women are sacked/made redundant/got rid of because they're pregnant.
Sadly, feminists who continue to be brave enough to raise issues about hard fought for women's spaces etc being lost are being dismissed as irrelevant, aggressive old b*****s.
I have a trans grandchild. Like many other contributors I was active in the women's movement in the60's 70s 80's and throughout my personal and working life, worked to protect the freedoms, the rights of women. I don't need lectures from men on how that is best achieved

Pathetic.

When doctors, and I have no doubt they will accomplish it, make it so that a transgender woman can physically menstruate and even carry a child and breastfeed....

I think it's very unlikely that that would be a good thing for the baby.

I think it very likely that most people would call that person a woman but it wouldn't be true.

trisher when you go through stringent airport security do you think how unreasonable it is because most people are not terrorists?
When you have to get security tags removed from purchases do you think it's unreasonable because most people are not shoplifters?
Single sex provision is a way of protecting females from males, even though most males present no danger.

Question:

Recently they grew a man a new penis.... On his arm (temporarily)

Our dna which is actually 99% the same for every member of our species... Just 1% is responsible for our differences.

When doctors, and I have no doubt they will accomplish it, make it so that a transgender woman can physically menstruate and even carry a child and breastfeed....

Will everyone accept her as a woman?

Crimes have been committed by people, usually males, who claimed to be the opposite sex and had that accepted as fact by e.g. hospitals and prisons.
Whether those people are part of the trans community, or imposters, they were given the opportunity to commit their crimes by the current acceptance of the demands of trans activists.
In past years, until very recently, that opportunity was not available.
But there have been trans people living in society for a long time and they didn't commit crimes (unless some can produce figures) They would be using facilities and passing in many cases as women. Now it seems they are regarded as a threat. So is it just that there are now people who would be a threat anyway finding new ways to pursue their ends?. Is it right to punish the majority of trans people because of a few? Wouldn't the logical outcome of policies like that be to castrate all males because a few are rapists?

Sorry, I had to make four posts as I couldn't work out how to copy all those things into one post.

Just one illustration of a clear definition of 'male' without confusion or ambiguity while the same organisation find it so complicated to define 'female'.

www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3408&fbclid=IwAR3bN1G8DZsJ8tY_xqe4t4P1p6_jb70TxgCqfWORBEPaxFv3N2521G2zAWg

www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4257#:~:text=Medical%20Definition%20of%20Male&text=Male%3A%20The%20sex%20that%20produces%20spermatozoa.

Medical Definition of Female
Medical Author: William C. Shiel Jr., MD, FACP, FACR
Reviewed on 12/12/2018
Female: The traditional definition of female was "an individual of the sex that bears young" or "that produces ova or eggs". However, things are not so simple today. Female can be defined by physical appearance, by chromosome constitution (see Female chromosome complement), or by gender identification. Female chromosome complement: The large majority of females have a 46, XX chromosome complement (46 chromosomes including two X chromosomes). A minority of females have other chromosome constitutions such as 45,X (45 chromosomes including only one X chromosome) and 47,XXX (47 chromosomes including three X chromosomes).

Medical Definition of Male
Medical Author: Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD
^Reviewed on 12/12/2018

Male: The sex that produces spermatozoa.

I just want to weep when the conversation turns to toilets. If only that were the issue ?????

The trans community has been around for a long time. It has not committed the crimes some insist will happen.

Crimes have been committed by people, usually males, who claimed to be the opposite sex and had that accepted as fact by e.g. hospitals and prisons.

Whether those people are part of the trans community, or imposters, they were given the opportunity to commit their crimes by the current acceptance of the demands of trans activists.
In past years, until very recently, that opportunity was not available.

Don't disabled toilets allow only one person at a time?

Some have stronger bladders than others Starblaze they're just showing off

Trisher where I work there are 2 staff toilets, one marked male and one marked female.

We currently have 1 male member of staff to about 20 female.

There is no difference inside the toilet, both the same.

Its interesting that some wait for the female toilet and the rest of us are all regarded as a bit naughty lol

All I want is a cubicle to get changed/go to the loo in. I don't care what the sign on the door says. I have used cubicles in a men's loo when the queue for the ladies was too long. We simply walked in and took over. Disabled loos are usually unisex are they more dangerous?