People who menstruate

You should read the article Flowershop just in case you may be actually wrong in your belief... Because a closed mind benefits no one, least of all you sadly

@starblaze
I'd also like to point out that I'm not the one name calling and insulting other people's beliefs.

I am not dictating language trisher. I am not making any demands trisher. It is not me who is demanding that the word woman isnt used. I absolutely agree with you that you cant impose peoples beliefs on others, I am not demanding anything from transgender people, wear what you want, present how you want, but you cant force me to believe that you have changed sex. Women are the ones who are being made demands upon, we are being told that men are allowed in womens spaces because of a feeling, this is a conflict of beliefs, it is like asking an atheist to believe in god just to be kind. The demands are coming only one way.

@starblaze
Flowershop so would you say you are transphobic or trans exclusionary
I'm neither.
I believe in biology, I don't believe that Human beings are able to change sex. It's not biologically possible.
Transphobic and trans exclusionary are made up ridiculous buzzwords. They have no meaning to me at all.

Interesting and educational from a scientific standpoint

health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

But some people who menstruate don't want to be called women Chewbacca. Don't they matter?

Galaxy you can call yourself whatever you wish. Woman, womxn, wimmin or wymin. I certainly wouldn't stop you. As far as I know nor will anyone else. What you can't expect is everyone to behave or act as you demand, and accepting others beliefs and opinions is what a free society is all about. So you are free to believe anything you wish but when those beliefs conflict with other peoples' you should show respect for theirs. There is absolutely nothing feminist about dictating to others. I don't believe in god but I don't go around demanding everyone who does, stops doing it.

Having a menstrual flow isn't about belief/opinions though is it? It's about a biological fact. If a person menstruates, they are biologically a female/woman. It is also a biological fact that whilst not all women menstruate, all people who do menstruate are female /women. Or do you dispute scientific and biological fact Starblaze?

OK Galaxy

Sorry I dont really understand what you are saying starblaze. Or what reference your familys beliefs have to me.

Well no I wouldn't but others might.

That's actually fine I can accept that some might see me as mysoginist and sexist.

Of course that means that people must accept that others believe them transphobic and bigoted.

If that becomes people within a friendship circle or family, they must also accept the right to that belief and the changing of their feelings towards the person of that opinion.

I guess I am fortunate that people I cherish in my circles are generally of the same view as me.

That's just how belief/opinion works... Often sadly despite facts and feelings.

Would you describe yourself as sexist or a misogynist starblaze. You see we can all play that game but it doesnt help.

Galaxy would you describe yourself as transphobic or trans exclusionary?

And if language is so unimportant and people are to be allowed to call themselves what they prefer then you need to grant women the same courtesy.

Trisher they can call themselves what they like but they cant force other people to believe it. Isnt forcing people to believe something restricting peoples freedoms.

Galaxy

Those non binary people are women trisher. To tell them otherwise is going to lead to terrible issues with regard to health. Not using the word women excludes many many women from health care etc but nobody seems to mind about them.

It seems rather odd to me that people who insist transwomen should not be permitted to call themselves women, also insist that people who choose to call themselves non-binary must call themselves women. Isn't that restricting choices for women? Isn't that restricting women's freedoms? Isn't that forcing women into roles they have chosen to reject? Isn't it in fact doing what the patriachy has always done, and what some who call themselves feminists are now doing, ignoring minorities, seperating people into groups to try and restrict them and remove their liberties, because that has always been the way to control them.

Galaxy so the extraordinarily high suicide rates amongst children, teens and adults who despite the best of efforts from anyone still feel they were born in the wrong body and wish to change that and were prevented are just an unfortunate statistic?

If you lie to people that you can change sex then I am afraid you create these problems.

Those non binary people are women trisher. To tell them otherwise is going to lead to terrible issues with regard to health. Not using the word women excludes many many women from health care etc but nobody seems to mind about them.

mrsHom I agree with you.
Trying not to offend results in not being able to speak about reality.

FarNorth it's a shame that distinction wasn't made and I hope it wasn't because they were ashamed of having had to make it or what the reaction might be.

Lots of issues that still need addressing for so many

"It means whatever I choose it to mean" Humpty Dumpty. Maybe Lewis Carroll's "Wonderland" wasn't so surreal after all.

Here's the link:

www.bbc.com/future/article/20200814-why-our-medical-systems-are-ignoring-transgender-people

It is, however, possible for a trans person to die or become seriously ill because they have had their medical records changed to the wrong sex.

There are several different lower limits for an eGFR, depending on things like a person’s weight, age, gender and race, which are intended to reflect the natural variation in the human body. Based on the female cut-off, [this transman] would have been allowed a transplant immediately. But he’s registered as a man on his medical records, and this meant his doctors used the male eGFR level. He wasn’t put on the list until he reached it – a decision that ultimately delayed the surgery by over a year, and very nearly cost him his life.

Flowershop so would you say you are transphobic or trans exclusionary?