Chris Whitty & Patrick Vallance @ 11.00 - what will follow?

growstuff you are entitled to your opinion. But I think you are missing the point here.

Alegrias

I'm sorry everyone, I'm sorry, I won't post about this again, but I just have to do this one more time. I can't help it.

List of Neil Z Miller's publications:

worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n92099210/

Includes the one in the attached image

Don't apologise!

It's really beyond belief that people believe this stuff, but it's growing. That's what the protest in Trafalgar Square was all about.

Maybe spaceships will arrive to take them back home.

You might not need the government and medical advisers to decide what you can do. I don't either. I've left the house no more than six times since March and have seen my son twice. Other than that, I live on my own and I'm fed up with people moaning about how they can't cope.

I am no fan of anything this government says or does. However, I don't understand people who reject everything it says because they hate the state so much. I'm afraid it reminds me of the anti-social kids I sometimes used to come across as a teacher. I would have hoped adults would have grown out of that phase.

Unfortunately, some people do need to tell them what to do and it needs to be enforced. Some people point to Sweden as a role model, so it's interesting to read that people in Sweden generally respect social distancing and bars, restaurants and shops are shut down if they don't comply with regulations. Schools didn't shut, but it doesn't mean they were open for all pupils all the time. Again, social distancing was respected.

I'm sorry everyone, I'm sorry, I won't post about this again, but I just have to do this one more time. I can't help it.

List of Neil Z Miller's publications:

worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n92099210/

Includes the one in the attached image

No, you are not more likely to do on the roads!

I looked the statistics up a few days ago and it's nonsense!

Covid will not be going away anytime soon, until a vaccine is available. But that's ok, we'll just lock down again and again or 'short circuit' for a couple of weeks to get that R figure back down, until the next time, then we can do it all again! More people are dying or will die from cancer, heart disease, strokes, and depression than covid. And let's not forget the real threat of the flu this winter. I'm in my 70th year, I'm slightly overweight, I possibly have a dodgy ticker, and I have weaker than average lungs, so I would not like to take a chance on catching covid. But I do take responsibility for my own life and the way I want to live it. If I feel it's too risky mixing with other people I simply won't go. I will wear a mask in shops, keep my distance etc, but I won't stop having a life, just in case I might get ill or die from covid or anything else. I'm more likely to die on the roads. Surely we can all take responsibility for ourselves to stay safe. At some point our number will be up, whether we are younger or older (whether untimely or otherwise) and I certainly don't need Mr Whitty, Boris or Mr Hancock to decide what I can and can't do. I have all the information I need to make my own mind up thank you very much. Our country and economy will recover, but not if we keep pulling down the shutters.

PS. That's why the plan is to have Covid-free hospitals, which don't accept Covid patients, so treatment can carry on in those hospitals as normal.

The NHS does get some things right!

naughtynanny

Taliya

More scare mongering and more hysteria ...7people will die in car accidents today and thousands from other illnesses...where is that blasted 24/7over in the media.

I totally agree with you Taliya.
We are only being told what suits the narrative.
There are now more people dying every day from suicide and other life limiting/threatening illness, that have been totally disregarded since the scaremongering about this. It's disgraceful. I'm sure many of us know loved ones who are waiting for appointments, treatments etc, that have just been left on the shelf. I've yet to meet anyone whose had this virus, or to meet anyone who knows anyone who has had this virus.
Does the Government really think that if they keep this 'do as your told' attitude up over Christmas, that absolutely everyone will abide by it. Of course they won't. Aged Grandparents possible stopped from seeing their beloved Grandkids at what is essentially the most important family time of the year. Nothing, but nothing would stop me from being with my family, and it shouldn't stop you either.

More people are dying from suicide than what?

So you actually want hundreds of thousands of other people to die from Covid-19?

PS. Am off to take further instructions from my 5G implanted chip!

Lemongrove I live in Scotland and am quite happy to have the choice of whether to turn my TV on for a daily update or not. You don’t have to. I’d rather have Nicola Sturgeon over Boris Johnstone, at least she seems to be more truthful and upfront and sack her advisors if they break the rules!

Taliya

More scare mongering and more hysteria ...7people will die in car accidents today and thousands from other illnesses...where is that blasted 24/7over in the media.

I totally agree with you Taliya.
We are only being told what suits the narrative.
There are now more people dying every day from suicide and other life limiting/threatening illness, that have been totally disregarded since the scaremongering about this. It's disgraceful. I'm sure many of us know loved ones who are waiting for appointments, treatments etc, that have just been left on the shelf. I've yet to meet anyone whose had this virus, or to meet anyone who knows anyone who has had this virus.
Does the Government really think that if they keep this 'do as your told' attitude up over Christmas, that absolutely everyone will abide by it. Of course they won't. Aged Grandparents possible stopped from seeing their beloved Grandkids at what is essentially the most important family time of the year. Nothing, but nothing would stop me from being with my family, and it shouldn't stop you either.

Alegrias. You say. "Miller gets a lot of his facts from extraterrestrials. I googled that, so it must be true"

What in the name of truth are you talking about?
If you are going to try and accuse people of an ad hominem argument, maybe don't use one yourself?

If anything you have the wrong Miller. The book I have is
"Miller's Review of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers"
by Neil Z Miller 1 Feb 2016. There is a similar one which I cited previously.
The contents of the book are not Miller's. They are the Scientific papers that have been published and Peer reviewed.

Also my argument was about what has been done and is being done. But I think you may be having trouble following the facts.

hollysteers

Thank god the conspirator theorist has gone. My poor son housemates with someone now completely brainwashed by David Ickes, Bill Gates etc, going on demos and alienating his friends.
It’s like a cult and we have enough to worry about without adding to it.

Spoke too soon

NannyC2
Meanwhile, I'm off to watch UK Column news which is more reliable.
Great! Me too!

Thank god the conspirator theorist has gone. My poor son housemates with someone now completely brainwashed by David Ickes, Bill Gates etc, going on demos and alienating his friends.
It’s like a cult and we have enough to worry about without adding to it.

I was happy to have the figures and the warnings presented without any fatuous and repetitive questions from the press and others.
Presumably most of the figures came from existing testing. We already know there are issues accessing testing so we didn’t need to hear that again.
So many reassuring posts on here. Thanks Rosina, Judib, Nipsmum, Gwyneth and Joesoap among others for their posts.
No speaker can satisfy everyone so I’d rather have the scientists and no political point scoring.

Well done, Taliya - I agree with you.
My husband thinks I should send this as it reports the facts about Trafalgar Square and not the statistics put out about by the media,
youtu.be/UyUd_Qyl76M
Like the chap says at the end - any troublemakers will be dealt with as they should, but everyday people were putting across their views including hospital staff.
See Anna Brees' reporter
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoWPXcRRUuI

Meanwhile, I'm off to watch UK Column news which is more reliable.

Joesoap I agree I think it is about time the public started taking some responsibility and stop blaming the government for everything. Whilst many people have been careful, others really don’t care and have done what they like. I read somewhere that we have been and still are one of the worst countries in Europe for completely disregarding the guidance and rules. All people do in this country is complain and try to foist the blame on someone else. It’s evident throughout our society.

For those who say this is scare-mongering, can you say what you think the motive could be? Since the more they scare us, the worse the economy will fall. I'd have thought if there was any bias at all it would have been in the direction of being over-reassuring.

OmaforMaya Deaths in Scotland, 2505 using the 28 day cut-off standard. Approx. 34 countries have a higher figure than that. Deaths per million in Scotland, 458. Approx 18 countries worse than us. So our numbers are far from good but its hardly "more deaths from Covid than anywhere"

If you are taking instructions from the UK government and not the Scottish government, while living in Scotland, you do realise that you are probably breaking the law?

Very few people trust the government and their mixed messages. They haven’t done brilliantly so far with only world beating death rates to boast about. The rule of law has broken down in many areas.

OMG! The lizards have landed!

I'm off to tend to my tomatoes and remaining cucumbers.

SusieCook

I agree lemongrove, and not all of us have or want to look at YouTube

If you have the internet you have you tube

Nvella

lemongrove

The public are likely to take more notice of Whitty than of any politician.

Please tell me you are joking - the man is a complete laughing stock - everything he touches turns to dust!

Really sorry - terrible toothache- it was Chris Grayling I was thinking of not Chris Whitty (who I have time for!)

We’ll be out in to two week lockdown across the country this means everyone will have to follow the science till they get this vaccine sorted it was said today that a vaccine could be in effect by end of October and they were working flat out To get this. Never before have they worked as hard to get a vaccine as it’s effected the whole world. So fingers crossed. We’re in lockdown now nothing has changed for me except I didn’t see my boys this weekend and their families but that’s ok as long as we all pull together, I am on a rare day off work and spending it in the garden pottering.

Joesoap

I think the Government are doing a good job in this very difficult siuation,I think it is the general public who are doing the damage by not adhering to the rules. Why cant people see it is up to everyone to do everything they can to help we are all in it together.

I am in total agreement with you. I too think that the UK Government is doing just fine. I am in Scotland where we have had daily briefings from the Furst Minister which became daily political broadcasts. At first in the early weeks she waited to see what Westminster was doing and then somehow managed to get her Covid broadcast televised first. Now whatever is broadcast from Westminster she waits a week or so then follows suit. So we are usually a week behind England in any closures or such. The Scottish First Minister and her SNP followers are under the impression that she is doing a great job yet Scotland has had more deaths from Covid than anywhere. It's a farce that she's done well and I like many here in Scotland take instructions from the UK Government and not from the Scottish Government...which to be correct is the Scottish Devolved Assembly.