Chris Whitty & Patrick Vallance @ 11.00 - what will follow?

lemongrove

The public are likely to take more notice of Whitty than of any politician.

Please tell me you are joking - the man is a complete laughing stock - everything he touches turns to dust!

I agree with the sentiments you express in the last part of your post Kate1949 - but disagree with blaming people.

Johnson and his team have done nothing but focus on gimmicks and slogans until now - and now with Whitty & Co the details are being produced in adult form. The UK Government made fundamental errors of judgement from the beginning - no, that's not hindsight, the pattern was clear from Asia, and as it spread to Europe, and following the WHO's mantra about testing and tracing, and a lockdown imposed when it was needed (before Cheltenham!!) would have been the right actions.

It's the UK Government that has failed to follow rules and guidance, and they have attempted to blame everyone - now it's the people - based on their own confused slogans and messages - but themselves.

Daisymae

Distinctly odd. Hardly any mention of testing which is the key to managing the crisis. Why would that be?

The figures they quote are from the testing surely?

DaisyL

Am I the only person who is getting more and more confused by the rules? Sheilding - that's over isn't it? Self-isolating - that is when you have been in contact with someone who has the virus? Quarantine - when you come home from abroad? Social distancing - what we are all supposed to do? Bubble - with one other family? Rule of 6 - for indoors and out but what if you are a family of 7? My poor old brain would just like to see it set out nice and clearly.

You've described the rules perfectly - you do understand!

Boris stop pussyfooting around the subject, all this doom and gloom about curfews etc;

Get to the point and let us know just what is going to happen is it semi lockdown, a circuit breaker (something they just keep going on about or a full lockdown apart from the schools and essential workers?
They cannot come to a direct decision as yet all because they say the test and trace system failed them.
I feel a yawn and headache coming on. !!!!!!!!!!!

Distinctly odd. Hardly any mention of testing which is the key to managing the crisis. Why would that be?

I listened. The situation is just as many of us predicted it would be. I suspect it is to prepare us for whatever extra measures the govt will throw at us tomorrow so that we will be more receptive.

I think there are too many grey areas and it needs to be set out in black and white.

As I think it was Chris Whitty said it’s not just deciding what your individual risk is so you can decide for yourself but your risk to others.

Absolutely. Thank you for a reasoned response! X

It's awful Jax but it's necessary.

Yes Tweedle. We have been having groceries delivered but DH ventured into Aldi last week for a couple of things and when he came home he said 'I'd swear some people don't know there is a pandemic'.

Kate1949 no hugs here either, it grieves me, but there we are.

MaizieD. So a direct quote of Bill Gates = "conspiracy theory"! He was on the BBC at the beginning of lockdown and I wrote down all he said from a recording I have. He has said other things too. He most certainly said about Governments having to indemnify the companies because there will be a "Trade off" by "getting it done in 18 months" and this was "we will have less safety testing than we typically would have" and then he said about governments having to decide whether they indemnify the companies in order to go ahead. Out of his own mouth he said he was sponsoring (and thus going to make a huge profit) the production of rushed production of 'vaccines' that would not be adequately safety tested so the makers would need indemnity for any bad effect that the vaccines might have, from death to major life-changing mutilations and effects on future generations (they are using RNA which will attach to our DNA and change it irreversibly) to small effects. He said that, about the indemnity.
Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralysed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2014, the #GatesFoundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died.
In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a trial of a GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,049 children.
During Gates 2002 MenAfriVac Campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Between 50-500 children developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for drug makers”
Nelson Mandela’s former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless” and “immoral.”

In 2010, Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines. A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population.”

You won't find these references on Google now because Gates is wealthy and is a crony of those few who run the internet owning You Tube, FaceBook etc and who censor everything, but you can easily find them on an ethically sourced search and in a proper library. At the moment. For the above I just used one source due to time constraints:
conservativedailypost.com/facts-shows-gates-vaccine-push-is-ruthless-immoral-basis-for-reducing-global-population/
another reference is
www.globalresearch.ca/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-win-win-pharma-mandatory-vaccination/5709493
and
www.naturalnews.com/055513_Gates_Foundation_vaccine_experiments_human_guinea_pigs.html

Or was it the subcutaneous ID with Mastercard that triggered your "conspiracy" switch?

Maybe the item from GAVI itself will open your eyes. See the link in my previous post above.

Having listened to today’s briefing on the Covid19 situation, I must say that I found the statistical details as presented, present a very clear warning to everyone. Hopefully the increase of infections in the younger age groups should be a wake-up call to so many of them who have chosen to the flout the advice/guidelines thus far. Some of those interviewed by the media have made it clear they will continue to ‘do as they please’, without any thought for the population or even an atom of concern for themselves.
One wonders if we were dealing with a pandemic of Small Pox or Poliomyelitis whether they would be so flippant.
So many of us are doing the right thing. Hopefully common sense and a sense of responsibility towards each other will prevail on the minority. As a country we are facing a bleak future in all respects. The system for Trace and Test is not fit for purpose. Testing is not being undertaken in the numbers as suggested by the Government and the system needs to be organised locally, regionally and Nationally- properly and quickly since many people are despairing over their inability to get a test. Apparently tomorrow the Prime Minister is to announce what further restrictions will be imposed. Life is precious - please let us all do the most we can to protect each other and our families.

Kate Same here although we are not in special measures (yet). I rarely go out unless I have to but, I do wonder sometimes if people are aware we have a problem.

I think the Government are doing a good job in this very difficult siuation,I think it is the general public who are doing the damage by not adhering to the rules. Why cant people see it is up to everyone to do everything they can to help we are all in it together.

I'd prefer to listen to the scientists and medical people. They seem to have been ignored sometimes the past by politicians. Trust them more than the government tbh. I suspect we'll get a broadcast from Boris tomorrow to tell us about a new lockdown.

Jane10

Just watched it. Well that's the way to do it. Straightforward non political info. Nicola take note. No need to see politicians telling us this info.

Yes, straightforward non-political info - but what will the politicians do with this knowledge, that's what I was pondering.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Agreed Tweedle. We are in extra measures here. No two households can mix. It's not nice but it needs to be done. Some around here are carrying on as normal.

Kate1949

If people would do what they were asked to do we wouldn't be in this mess. We have been asked not to visit/hug relatives. People have been ignoring this. Of course we want to hug our family, especially our grandchildren but we can't. I haven't hugged my granddaughter since February and am dying to do so but I can't and won't.

Sensible common sense, Kate1949. Sadly this seems to be lacking

DaisyL

Am I the only person who is getting more and more confused by the rules? Sheilding - that's over isn't it? Self-isolating - that is when you have been in contact with someone who has the virus? Quarantine - when you come home from abroad? Social distancing - what we are all supposed to do? Bubble - with one other family? Rule of 6 - for indoors and out but what if you are a family of 7? My poor old brain would just like to see it set out nice and clearly.

Don’t worry about the Rule of Six for families of more than that. It has already been stated that they are an exception

Just watched it. Well that's the way to do it. Straightforward non political info. Nicola take note. No need to see politicians telling us this info.

Sorry, I quoted vegansrock instead of WW2
"^Can anyone tell me the scientific thinking behind curfew?
How on earth would that stop the spread?^"

Oh For Gods Sake! AGAIN WITH THE STOCKING UP!!! Its not WW2!!

vegansrock

Minimising inessential contacts is the key. What is “inessential” is for the politicians, in whom we have little trust, deciding.

It was said the other day that the longer the pubs/clubs stay open, the more drunk people get and therefore less distancing.

If people would do what they were asked to do we wouldn't be in this mess. We have been asked not to visit/hug relatives. People have been ignoring this. Of course we want to hug our family, especially our grandchildren but we can't. I haven't hugged my granddaughter since February and am dying to do so but I can't and won't.