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Does Age excuse Everything?

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Blossoming Fri 12-Mar-21 16:41:34

I’m reading a great deal about Nazi Germany at the moment and I’ve noticed a couple of stories in the press in the last few weeks about elderly people being prosecuted for war crimes. This is one example I’ve been following. It’s in the Guardian, which I know many Grans find anathema, but it is in other media too if preferred.

I’m interested to know people’s opinions on this. Do you think it’s pointless? Do you think old people shouldn’t have to answer for their acts? Do you think justice should be done for the sake of the victims and their families? Do you think it’s important the world should know this is not now, and never was, acceptable?

I have skin in the game due to family history and that may colour my view.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/20/us-deports-former-concentration-camp-guard-95-germany

vampirequeen Tue 16-Mar-21 11:50:44

I thought we were talking about people who ran the camps and murdered/tortured. I don't think the everyday conscript was any different to our lads. They just wanted it to be over and go home. The Hitler Youth were abused children who had been indoctrinated with hatred and the desire/willingness to die for the Fatherland.

suziewoozie Tue 16-Mar-21 12:00:38

vampirequeen

I thought we were talking about people who ran the camps and murdered/tortured. I don't think the everyday conscript was any different to our lads. They just wanted it to be over and go home. The Hitler Youth were abused children who had been indoctrinated with hatred and the desire/willingness to die for the Fatherland.

As the war went on and losses of men grew, more and more soldiers were posted in camps as guards - many of these would have been young conscripts like maybe the one in the link.,

yggdrasil Tue 16-Mar-21 12:50:29

The latest one I have heard of is a woman who was a secretary to a Camp Commandant when she was a teenager. I can't see why she should be held responsible for the Nazi in charge. She would have grown up during the Hitler era, and probably only realised what was happening after the war when she had grown up.

maddyone Tue 16-Mar-21 13:09:18

I think that if every person who worked in the concentration camps was to be prosecuted, then it should have been done at the end of the war or soon after. Unfortunately because of the massive task in front of the allies, minor offenders, and indeed some not so minor offenders, were not dealt with at the appropriate time. It seems somewhat late in the day to be dealing with a guard who must have been around 19/20 at the end of the war. He would have had no say in where he was posted. He will obviously say he didn’t killed anyone himself, but there will be no evidence to that statement. What would he be charged with I wonder? Would the laws applicable today be those under which he was charged or those of the time he was conscripted? It’s very complicated, I just don’t know whether he should be prosecuted or not. Germany says there’s no evidence. No evidence of what? There will be evidence he served, and where, but is that in itself a crime. I have no answers.

Blossoming Tue 16-Mar-21 13:09:36

It wasn’t so much the age at which the alleged offences took place that I was wondering about, though certainly that should a consideration at any prosecution or trial. It was more the argument that people shouldn’t stand trial or serve a sentence if they are elderly.

suziewoozie Tue 16-Mar-21 14:25:57

Blossoming

It wasn’t so much the age at which the alleged offences took place that I was wondering about, though certainly that should a consideration at any prosecution or trial. It was more the argument that people shouldn’t stand trial or serve a sentence if they are elderly.

Humm yes you were ? I suppose because of the passage of time anyone like the person in your link will have been very young at the time of the ‘offence’.

Hithere Tue 16-Mar-21 14:35:06

Not at all, age is not a factor.

Blossoming Tue 16-Mar-21 15:02:56

Suziewoosie no, I really wasn’t. You can’t tell what I’m thinking over the internet ? That link was one of several and probably not the best illustration. This one is better.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/auschwitz-bookkeeper-oskar-groening-german-96-nazi-ss-guard-prison-sentence-court-four-years-a8081981.html

suziewoozie Tue 16-Mar-21 15:12:13

Blossoming

Suziewoosie no, I really wasn’t. You can’t tell what I’m thinking over the internet ? That link was one of several and probably not the best illustration. This one is better.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/auschwitz-bookkeeper-oskar-groening-german-96-nazi-ss-guard-prison-sentence-court-four-years-a8081981.html

My ‘yes you were’ comment was agreeing with you not telling you what you meant ? Honest . I do agree as well that choosing a Holocaust linked example wasn’t the best idea. My position in general is quite clear - I don’t believe in statutes of limitations and think a decision to prosecute should just turn on the facts of the case. Nothing else. The age of the accused at the time of the offence may be a mitigating factor in terms of sanction but not in terms of deciding to prosecute,