GC and still not dry at night

That's really good news for you all ?

So glad this has worked! I missed your original post OP, my own son was the same, it’s a wee shame for them.
At the time I found a tip online - now it could be coincidental that it worked for us or the placebo effect, but the thing I read was about hidden caffeine that can affect the ability to either hold it in or wake you up. Our hidden caffeine was in a squash my son was drinking earlier in the day - when we eliminated that it did the trick. As I said it may be hokum and coincidence, but might be worth having a look at that too?
Glad your GD is feeling better about things and getting a good nights sleep now!

Isn’t that lovely ?

Thank you PaperMonster.

Aaaw, bless her. Good news!

Thank you Rosie 51. You have made a sound statement - that even if she has a slip up she now knows she can do it and will do it again . If there is a relapse I will mention that to my daughter and she can then reassure my GD.

I hadn't posted on this as what I would have said was said by others. So very pleased for your GD! Even if there is a regression, she knows she can do it and will do it again. Your daughter and son-in-law are brilliant parents, with exactly the right attitude.

Thank you all for your support and advise.

Update! My daughter spoke to my grandchild about having an alarm. GD was very keen to try it , parents explained how it may not work and that she must not be disappointed if she still had a wee in bed. First four nights the alarm went off and my daughter took her to the loo. GC was happy she was dry in the morning. After the four nights she has now had five nights without the alarm going off! Sleeping all night and waking at at 6am to go to the bathroom to wee .
GC is delighted !! So far so good . I am so proud of my daughter and SIL for dealing with the situation so calmly and in such a relaxed way. Also know if there is a relapse they will deal with it in the correct way. For now I have one very proud and happy 6 year old GD . Fingers crossed ? this situation continues.

There’s some kind of hormone that needs to kick in before a child is dry at night. Hence the GP not being able to help until the child is seven. I’d just wait if it was me. Lifting and gadgets just add to the stress.

My son was a bed wetter. At one point I tried the alarm and, after waking up the first couple of times it went off, he just used to sleep through it. After that we just lived with it until he stopped when he was a teenager. We lived out in the country so sleepovers didn't really happen. He did sleep deeply - as a toddler he would be sick without waking up. As a 40+ he has trouble sleeping!

It is much more normal than people realise for bed wetting to take place amongst youngsters much older than 7 years of age. Most of these DO eventually sort it out as they grow older.

What NOT to do, is to make any sort of fuss about it. Horrible idea star charts or any other sort of 'reward' system - as this is more or less saying that the child is in control and wets deliberately,

Laid back approach, - if the wetting wakes them, get them to change their night clothes etc. Keep a waterproof mattress cover in place/

Many years ago, one of my neighbours was told by GP to use one of those alarm systems for her 11-year old bed wetting son. Put it in place, buzzer went off in night, whole family woken up, EXCEPT for the lad himself.

Deep sleepers are often bed wetters. One of my children was a very deep sleeper, even when I tried to get him up when I was going to bed, in order to use the loo, he had no idea where he was or what he was doing. One time, just stopped him standing at the top of stairs getting ready to pee!!!

When one of my foster children (a bed wetter) went into one of my older daughter's bedrooms at 2 am to say his bed was wet, she told him to change his pj's and get into bed with her - which he did. Following morning I woke to find house in chaos, as the big water tank in the loft had overflowed all night, bringing down ceiling at that childs room and flooded right through to ground floor!!!!

Well done Shelflife.

Norah, my daughter has spoken at length to me and we have discussed options but of course it is her and her husband who will decide what the best course of action is . My daughter is thinking about using an alarm but is also wondering if they should leave well alone for a little longer. I don't interfere, but will support as much as I can . I am sure the problem will be resolved one way or another!

Have you been asked to help in this matter?

I actually think lifting a sleeping child to take them to the toilet is counterproductive, as it encourages the body to wee while they're asleep.

One of my sons was "late" to becoming dry at night. He was adamant he didn't want to go to the doctor about it so I didn't feel I could take him.
Eventually though, at the age of about 7 or 8 it was starting to bother him regarding trips away so he asked to go.
I said the first thing the doctor will need to know is how frequent a problem it is, so I gave him a calendar sheet for the month to record when he had a wet night and when he had a dry night.
Surprisingly to both of us, in that month he only had seven wet nights. He realised it wasn't as much of a problem as he'd thought.
It stopped from then on and we never did need to go to the doctor.

Thank you all for your suggestions and support. Parents have tried everything! Lifting numerous times during the night , plenty to drink during the day but no drinks after about 5.30 , bed at 7pm. She is a good and deep sleeper. I agree that a star chart or other reward method is not really a sound idea, because she is completely unaware when she wees during the night. So she is not in a position to try and alter what is happening. Will see what my daughter decides , initially she didn't like the idea of her child being woken in the night by an alarm . I asked her to consider that it was not the alarm waking her daughter but that fact that she needed to wee - which is want we want ! Having read your responses I am reassured that my GD will grow out if this in her own time. She is a happy and well adjusted little girl who loves going to school . So there is little to worry about , my daughter and SIL are dealing responsibly with this situation. I know all will be well eventually, my thanks again for your interest and ideas.

My GS was referred to the incontinence nurse at our local hospital, and he was very kind and helpful. Some children are late producing the hormone that allows bladder to override sleep. The hormone is prescribed until the body produces its own.
This often runs in families, which made sense as his mother was the same.
Also recommended avoiding blackcurrant squash!

Why do so many people ke injury. With a child, if no one around them considers something shaming, why should they?

I don't think the alarm is shaming. The idea of the idea is that it wakes the child up at the first sign of wetness. This then trains the brain to wake up at the physical sensation of having to go. My mother got one for me and it worked within a few days. I never felt it was a punishment or shameful, I felt it was something my mother was doing to help me.

2 of my 3 GCs needed the medication - the middle one had no problem at all. Seems it is a physical problem, nothing else worked.

i don't see how star charts are relevant in this case.
they are for desired behaviour. where choice is involved.
not the case here, is a bodily issue.
there are special night-time pants available for children, which are absorbent, sometimes called pyjama pants.
so they can go away/visit without it being an issue.
personally i'd have hated the idea of an alarm; to me that would be some kind of punishment, and shaming.
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A star chart works well. Award a star for dry nights (these can be bought at stationery shops) Perhaps the mum could think of a reason for the little one to join in as well.

But bed wetting is a physiological issue. How cruel to set a child up for failure

They used to make you increase fluid intake to stretch the bladder. Some kids need the hormone medication as they don't produce it until later.

Try not to worry though, as other say it is so common

You are all right about not making a fuss about this, but there are other practical things you can do, or the child's parents can.

When during the night does the bed-wetting occur? If it is the latter half of the night, it will help if her mother makes sure the child is lifted out of bed and put on a potty just before her parents go to their beds, as the night is obviously just too long for her.

If it occurs randomly, is the child sleeping so heavily that she doesn't register the need to wee and wake up?

If this is the problem, she may simply be too tired to react by waking in time, so the solution might be to consider whether she needs a sligthly earlier bedtime or less strenuous games etc just before bedtime. Or simply to go and wee one more time than she thinks she needs before bed.

Does she wet the bed because she dreams she is actually àt the toilet? Both DH and I did at her age.

That problem was solved by us saying or thinking to ourselves at bedtime - I shall not wet the bed, I will waken in time to go to the toilet.

It isn't a magical formula, or self-hypnosis, if it works, it does so because it boosts the child's confidence that she can solve this problem herself.